All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (8 Viewers)

Saintamaniac said:

Look, if people are stupid enough to believe anything that trump says at this point, then they are entitled to what they get for believing him.

Also, who was your reply in response to?

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I was replying to Beach Friends Sean Penn comment. I realize this guy is some 'B' actor that I've never heard of and I haven't seen The Walking Dead in several years, but that is irrelevant to the substance IMO.

My original post was the article about limited access to testing, not processing those tests, and outrageous test costs.

donato said:

'Walking Dead' Actor 'Disgusted' After Being Charged $9,000 For Test That Doctors Weren't Even Allowed To Process

'Walking Dead' actor Daniel Newman had some scathing words for the way the global pandemic is being handled in the US.

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Hence the problem with for profit healthcare.

Somebody is gonna pay. 9k for a test not processed is not all bad now is it.

I can’t believe that our future basically depends on how Donald Trump solves the trolley problem.

donato said:

What does that have to do with anything? Do you think he is lying? Did you read the article? Why are you even here if you're just going to troll?

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Come on now, certainly you can see the absurdity of a headline about how an actor from the Walking Dead is going to speak to us about infectious diseases. No, I didn't read the article. Was it from the Onion?

Beach Friends said:

Really hard to protect people who don't have the cognitive capability to realize that a doctor should be in the loop.

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I agree. Perhaps a doctor named Anthony Fauci, who said that the drug in question had some anecdotal evidence of success at best. The doctor in the room downplayed it, the non-doctor hyped it up. They had a doctor's advice and listened to Trump instead.

Saintamaniac said:

Right. It's actually a stance that says "Poverty causes death and therefore, something needs to be done about poverty." In fact, poverty or an increase in poverty is such a problem of increased death toll as a result of new poverty is actually worth the risk of further exacerbating the pandemic. This doesn't seem on its face to be a very Republican or conservative view point.

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I think the point is, that we tolerate certain things... we don't like them, we speak about them, maybe we do something about them... but we don't go to extremes for things we are used to.

We know even with vaccines ~50,000 people die from influenza every year. But we accept that: we don't shut down the country to prevent our grandparents and people with respiratory issues dying from it.

We know ~60,000 people are going to get shot, but we don't lock ourselves in the house.

And we talk a lot about poverty, and all of the problems that go with it. But we are not going to fight a civil war over it.

SystemShock said:

I think the point is, that we tolerate certain things... we don't like them, we speak about them, maybe we do something about them... but we don't go to extremes for things we are used to.

We know even with vaccines ~50,000 people die from influenza every year. But we accept that: we don't shut down the country to prevent our grandparents and people with respiratory issues dying from it.

We know ~60,000 people are going to get shot, but we don't lock ourselves in the house.

And we talk a lot about poverty, and all of the problems that go with it. But we are not going to fight a civil war over it.

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Yeah I think that half of the population thinks it is a pull your boots on and go to work type of thing.

The sad thing is the working poor pull their boots on daily and never get ahead and never really will without help from somewhere.

This is the reason for the extreme right and left issues. Some think we have lazy freeloaders and others are absolutely amazed that the so called lazy can make it work with what they have to work with.

Not quite a civil war yet but the sides are sure plenty devided.

Beach Friends said:

Come on now, certainly you can see the absurdity of a headline about how an actor from the Walking Dead is going to speak to us about infectious diseases. No, I didn't read the article. Was it from the Onion?

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Thanks for your genuine participation and quality posts.

Since you're incapable of any of that, I'll just give you a summary:

1. Young actor doesn't feel well and has symptoms (I know, actors aren't credible people, right?)
2. Calls medical facilities in his area, only one hospital has tests.
3. Tells that hospital his symptoms, they invite him to come and take the test.
4. Takes the test.
5. Hospital says his symptoms, age, and other other factors aren't enough to qualify for processing the test / getting results due to lack of resources.
6. Receives bill for $9,000.

cuddlemonkey said:

I agree. Perhaps a doctor named Anthony Fauci, who said that the drug in question had some anecdotal evidence of success at best. The doctor in the room downplayed it, the non-doctor hyped it up. They had a doctor's advice and listened to Trump instead.

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This is a great point.

The question I think is reasonable to ask regarding Trump's culpability is if he had not hyped it up or even mentioned it (as any rational leader would not) would the poor guy still be alive?

As unbelievable as it is, there are folks who believe everything he says, there is some responsibility there, no? I guess Trump just gets a pass, because he has earned it or something....right....

donato said:

Thanks for your genuine participation and quality posts.

Since you're incapable of any of that, I'll just give you a summary:

1. Young actor doesn't feel well and has symptoms (I know, actors aren't credible people, right?)
2. Calls medical facilities in his area, only one hospital has tests.
3. Tells that hospital his symptoms, they invite him to come and take the test.
4. Takes the test.
5. Hospital says his symptoms, age, and other other factors aren't enough to qualify for processing the test / getting results due to lack of resources.
6. Receives bill for $9,000.

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You know that sounds about right.

I have a cruddy policy I am more than sure I would receive a huge bill for not getting a test processed.

Then again the president said no fees for testing so by not processing it is that why it was 9k?

The problem with for profit healthcare and non standard pricing.

The cost can be anything they want it to be in life or death things. No other industry is allowed to work that way.

It is no wonder that over two thirds of bankruptcies are to get out from under medical bills.

Beach Friends said:

Really hard to protect people who don't have the cognitive capability to realize that a doctor should be in the loop.

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How much you want to bet that if we dig in deeply, we'll find these folks have no health insurance, hated Obama and Obamacare and probably went out of their way to support Trump?

Beach Friends said:

I don't know brother. It's tough to accept that we can't talk about drugs look promising because people are going to go through their cleaning supplies to see if they have anything with chemicals that sound somewhat like what was mentioned.

I feel sorry for those people, I really do. But, that wasnt Trump's fault.

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Unless I needed advice on colored swirly hairdos or tanning beds I wouldn't listen to anything Trump says. I wouldn't take your advice on medical issues at all, but that's the point of not saying things WHEN YOU'RE POTUS that can be construed as medical information.

I would share that I find it odd that you feel sorry for them. Why is that?

And yet these same people we can’t trust with fish cleaner, we trust with voting and gun ownership.

Thank goodness trump never said he could shoot anyone. Wait.

donato said:

Thanks for your genuine participation and quality posts.

Since you're incapable of any of that, I'll just give you a summary:

1. Young actor doesn't feel well and has symptoms (I know, actors aren't credible people, right?)
2. Calls medical facilities in his area, only one hospital has tests.
3. Tells that hospital his symptoms, they invite him to come and take the test.
4. Takes the test.
5. Hospital says his symptoms, age, and other other factors aren't enough to qualify for processing the test / getting results due to lack of resources.
6. Receives bill for $9,000.

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Did this couple vote for Trump? Do we know they were Republicans? There are really stupid people on both sides, so I don't think being stupid is a crown only one party can claim.

Farb said:

Did this couple vote for Trump? Do we know they were Republicans? There are really stupid people on both sides, so I don't think being stupid is a crown only one party can claim.

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I don't know, but I'd bet $100 they were.

Not a democrat on earth who would eat fish tank cleaner because Trump said to.

You game?

Do I want to bet on the political affiliation of two idiots? No, I don't.
But it would be comical if they were they were never-trumpers.

So it is your stance that because a political leader says something and someone that heard those words, acts upon them, then the person that said the words are at fault and not the person that took the action?

Farb said:

Do I want to bet on the political affiliation of two idiots? No, I don't.
But it would be comical if they were they were never-trumpers.

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How is it possible that they'd be anti-Trump yet took the drug specifically because of what Trump said? That doesn't seem compatible.