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    The football board had the very useful Daily Trump Tracker thread, which was a good place to briefly discuss the latest ridiculous thing that might have ended 97% of prior Presidential administrations even if it didn't necessarily justify an entire thread devoted to it in 2017-2019 (because of the sheer volume of these things). Since I don't see anything like that here already, I'll add one myself.
     
    Louisiana environmental policies don’t even work for Louisiana
    So what now?
    Kansas gets to set a pesticide runoff policy that’s cool for them that ***** is
    So now what?
    Ask any Cajun, alligators were never an endangered species. It wasn't until they started showing up in people's yards and swimming pools that they were taken off the list. Heck, they were even getting a run over on the Interstate due to to overpopulation in some areas! Now we have Swamp People on Discovery Channel!

    One size size fits all federal regs are an anathma, as DJT correctly pointed out.
     
    Ask any Cajun, alligators were never an endangered species. It wasn't until they started showing up in people's yards and swimming pools that they were taken off the list. Heck, they were even getting a run over on the Interstate due to to overpopulation in some areas! Now we have Swamp People on Discovery Channel!

    One size size fits all federal regs are an anathma.
    I for one am shocked that you would not directly address the question and pivoted to a bonhomie yarn
    I wrestled in high school and grew to learn that slippery people are hard to grab.
    even a mediocre kingcake has sugar
     
    I for one am shocked that you would not directly address the question and pivoted to a bonhomie yarn
    I wrestled in high school and grew to learn that slippery people are hard to grab.
    even a mediocre kingcake has sugar
    Less critique of me as a poster . . . More concession that perhaps DJT might have a point.
     
    Ask any Cajun, alligators were never an endangered species. It wasn't until they started showing up in people's yards and swimming pools that they were taken off the list. Heck, they were even getting a run over on the Interstate due to to overpopulation in some areas! Now we have Swamp People on Discovery Channel!

    One size size fits all federal regs are an anathma, as DJT correctly pointed out.

    These days, having a species listed as legally protected takes years - and requires extensive science and public comment. The science demonstrates current populations, birth and maturity rates against loss rates . . . and where the loss rates exceed the birth and maturity rates, a species is threatened as a matter of science. Protection (can) then follow as a matter of law.

    The American Alligator reached population lows in the 1950s - and became protected the late 60s under various laws that pre-dated the endangered species act. You're right that it probably never should have been listed . . . I think the experience with the alligator has been a case on how detailed (and unemotional) this process needs to be.

    But the alligator listing was pre-EDS, which aimed in part to improve the hodge podge of state and federal law to protected threatened animals. In many instances, the EDS process has been far more effective and scientifically based.

    The idea that something is federally controlled isn't, itself, wholly flawed. There are many areas where federal intervention is both legally and practically appropriate. But federal control doesn't have to (and usually doesn't) mean "ne size fits all." We have to be smart about how it is tailored - and it has to be flexible and evidence-based so that application doesn't do more harm than good. Removing the legal structures entirely doesn't make the problem go away - and placing responsibilities at state and local levels can be more problematic for certain kinds of problems that are better suited or more effectively suited for federal regulation.

    I think this idea that all federal regulation is so bad that it can be called anathema is just reactionary, rhetoric that seems appealing but doesn't really hold up.
     
    These days, having a species listed as legally protected takes years - and requires extensive science and public comment. The science demonstrates current populations, birth and maturity rates against loss rates . . . and where the loss rates exceed the birth and maturity rates, a species is threatened as a matter of science. Protection (can) then follow as a matter of law.

    The American Alligator reached population lows in the 1950s - and became protected the late 60s under various laws that pre-dated the endangered species act. You're right that it probably never should have been listed . . . I think the experience with the alligator has been a case on how detailed (and unemotional) this process needs to be.

    But the alligator listing was pre-EDS, which aimed in part to improve the hodge podge of state and federal law to protected threatened animals. In many instances, the EDS process has been far more effective and scientifically based.

    The idea that something is federally controlled isn't, itself, wholly flawed. There are many areas where federal intervention is both legally and practically appropriate. But federal control doesn't have to (and usually doesn't) mean "ne size fits all." We have to be smart about how it is tailored - and it has to be flexible and evidence-based so that application doesn't do more harm than good. Removing the legal structures entirely doesn't make the problem go away - and placing responsibilities at state and local levels can be more problematic for certain kinds of problems that are better suited or more effectively suited for federal regulation.

    I think this idea that all federal regulation is so bad that it can be called anathema is just reactionary, rhetoric that seems appealing but doesn't really hold up.
    A well thought-out response! Yes, it's Reagan--esque to call all federal regulations an anathma.

    Personally, I like the results from the Clean Water Act and hope we can do even better in the future.

    There are real world considerations though.

    How do you pass an annual EPA inspection of your paint storage locker on a federal facility? Take everything out, paint the room, throw away all the paint before the inspection!

    See, for every restrictive federal reg, there's some poor schmuck who will find a way around it and defeat the whole purpose . . . Like the soldiers who dismantled the water saver shower heads.

    Good stuff, Chuck. What was it Reagan said . . . Paraphrasing here . . . The most feared words in America?

    "I am from the government and I'm here to help." :)
     

    Bullet point #5 is interesting. Not just because semitic is misspelled, but he would brag about that.

    Rebuilding the military? When was it in shambles? The 70's?

    Added a screenshot for when they take it down.
     

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    Bullet point #5 is interesting. Not just because semitic is misspelled, but he would brag about that.

    Rebuilding the military? When was it in shambles? The 70's?

    Added a screenshot for when they take it down.

    One of Trump’s most enduring lies that he tells at almost every rally is that the military was totally broken down when he became president and that he has completely restored it. He says they couldn’t even buy bullets, or some such crazy thing. And the people cheer. People at Trump rallies are just that gullible, and they want to believe I guess.

    Oh, another big lie is that he “passed” the right of veterans to have “choice” of their doctors. He will say something like “they tried for years to get that done and couldn’t do it. I got it passed.” It was a bill sponsored by McCain and signed by Obama, IIRC, maybe about 2014. Daniel Dale has recorded over 80 times he has told that particular lie.
     
    It‘s pretty well documented that he is ramping up his lies, they are bigger and more frequent. I see people saying it’s because he is under pressure from the impeachment and from the myriad other lawsuits working their way through the court system.

    I’m not sure I believe that’s the reason. Why do you think he is lying more frequently, Chuck?

     
    Yeah, he sure hasn’t paid any political price for lying up until now. 🤷‍♀️
     
    Oh, another big lie is that he “passed” the right of veterans to have “choice” of their doctors. He will say something like “they tried for years to get that done and couldn’t do it. I got it passed.” It was a bill sponsored by McCain and signed by Obama, IIRC, maybe about 2014. Daniel Dale has recorded over 80 times he has told that particular lie.

    He "passed" it? C'mon..let's be honest. He has repeatedly said that he came up with the idea, and that everyone in the room said it was a great idea, and that they had been trying to come up with a way to fix it for 40 years.
     
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