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    Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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    Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
    He won convincingly.
    Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
    Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
    In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
    Here is an interesting article on this topic...
    www.scotsman.com

    Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

    Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.
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    What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?
     
    bdb13 said:
    There is a lot of time for conservative media to help position DeSantis to take on Trump and help make the transition from Trump to DeSantis seem organic.. so much time between now and whatever the first primary would be in 2024.
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    That's true but I'm talking about the most hardcore of the hardcore. Trump will lash out and start calling DeSantis a RINO and worse. There will be a significant amount of MAG-oons who will not vote for someone who their dear leader tells them not to vote for.
     
    SFIDC3 said:
    I think you are, Trump is a different kind of candidate that strongly appeals to the way too many whack jobs out there….I really don’t think DeSantis changes that…..I agree with Saul on the 20-30% and hope it is true…..because if it is he will pretty much marginalize what the Repub party has become….and they so richly deserve this…
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    Our difference there would be that I believe DeSantis can appeal to those same people and draw them away from Trump. I think when Trump was the only powerful figure out there it was different but for the first time another true contender with few apparent weaknesses has arrived on the scene.

    We're definitely going to get to see.
     
    It would be different if DeSantis succeeded Trump (which is why I think he waits until 2028) but I just can't see him drawing ALL of Trump's supporters while Trump is alive and actively denouncing him.
     
    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    That's true but I'm talking about the most hardcore of the hardcore. Trump will lash out and start calling DeSantis a RINO and worse. There will be a significant amount of MAG-oons who will not for someone who their dear leader tells them not to vote for.
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    Maybe.. I just don't think it's going to play out the same as it did when he was battling it out with Democrats and weak assed and unprepared Republican candidates in this same manner.

    Trump can call him a RINO and I'm sure his most, most hardcore supporters will parrot it.. but he's got nothing of substance there that's going to stick because, as we've all been saying, politically DeSantis is just more polished version of Trump.
     
    bdb13 said:
    Maybe it's because I'm in Florida and I'm misjudging the situation based upon that but I feel like DeSantis is in an entirely different position than anyone Trump has run into on the Republican side since he declared he was running for President in 2015.
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    bdb13 said:
    The guy's already a Republican rockstar as governor and pretty nationally known and about to have Republican media really pumping up the absolute shirt out of him to an audience he's in lockstep with politically.

    I think people are going to be surprised at how easy it is for Trump's support to slide to DeSantis.
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    To add to what you just said, I was listening to Talk Radio this morning as I sat in line for Costco Gasoline. The talk show host says that recently he has been taking so many calls from people who say: "I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 but I'm done with him." They say they don't like how he is acting now and he has lost their support.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
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    To add to what you just said, I was listening to Talk Radio this morning as I sat in line for Costco Gasoline. The talk show host says that recently he has been taking so many calls from people who say: "I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 but I'm done with him." They say they don't like how he is acting now and he has lost their support.
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    They're not going to like him attacking DeSantis. It's not going to play well for him at all and I'll eat crow over it if I'm wrong but.. we're just going to have to see I guess.
     
    bdb13 said:
    They're not going to like him attacking DeSantis. It's not going to play well for him at all and I'll eat crow over it if I'm wrong but.. we're just going to have to see I guess.
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    You won't have to eat crow.
    Trump's attacks on a successful Republican Governor is not playing well with so many conservatives. If Trump calls DeSantis a RINO...has he? That would really be a joke.
    Trump is a joke.
    Yet back to the conservatives finally denouncing Trump...they should have seen this aspect of him long ago....but the cliche "better late than never" is how I feel about that.
     
    good article
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    I’ve been telling people for most of the year that I consider Ron DeSantis to be the odds-on favorite — not a guarantee, not a prohibitive favorite, but the favorite — to win the Republican presidential nomination. Usually they nod and then add something like, “But not if Trump runs, right?” “Yes,” I reply, “even if Trump runs.” Then they look at me like I’m crazy.

    Tuesday night, my view began to look a little less crazy. The Murdoch-owned media, very much including Fox News, unleashed an undisguised propaganda blitz to convince its audience that Trump is the source of the party’s struggles and DeSantis represents its future. Trump’s angry response is a measure of how seriously he takes the threat to steer the base away from him. Many journalists registered surprise at the bluntness of the chorus blaming Trump. Yet the prospects for a DeSantis nomination, and the changes beneath the surface that have made it relatively likely, have not been fully appreciated outside the Republican world.

    For one thing, the Murdoch-owned media, and many other legacy conservative-media outlets, like National Review, have never fully supported Trump. They defended him against Democrats while wishing the party would nominate somebody else. This has meant, in other words, that they would criticize some of his excesses, even while insisting the Democrats were worse. During moments when Republicans had the opportunity to wrest leadership of the party from his hands, like during the 2016 primary campaign and in the days after January 6, they would even savage him. But when his leadership of the party went unchallenged, they would mute their criticism and fall dutifully in line.

    This pattern has led to an easy assumption that whatever misgivings Republicans express now will come to nothing. “We have heard this tune many times before,” Dan Drezner says, sighing. “It’s nice to hope that this time it’ll take,” writes the Bulwark, “But we’ve all seen this movie before. Many, many, many times before.”

    This ignores a crucial difference. In both 2016, and the aftermath of the insurrection, there was no unified Republican alternative. The non-Trump candidates in 2016 infamously failed to coordinate, and even devoted most of their energy to attacking each other in the belief that the last non-Trump standing would automatically prevail. “Jeb, Rubio, Christie, Kasich, Walker… every one of these guys was as hyped as DeSantis is now. Trump beat them all,” argues Adam Jentleson. But that is the point – beating them all was easier than beating a single opponent with unified conservative movement support...........

     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    You won't have to eat crow.
    Trump's attacks on a successful Republican Governor is not playing well with so many conservatives. If Trump calls DeSantis a RINO...has he? That would really be a joke.
    Trump is a joke.
    Yet back to the conservatives finally denouncing Trump...they should have seen this aspect of him long ago....but the cliche "better late than never" is how I feel about that.
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    I just thought of something.
    Ya know how anytime there is a republican who does not support Trump ...Trump calls them a RINO.
    Well actually TRUMP is the finest example of Republican In Name Only. Trump does not care about the Republican Party.
    He is constantly verbally hurting Republicans.
    TRUMP is actually NOT a Republican . Trump is merely a narcissist. He is a party unto himself.
     
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    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    I just thought of something.
    Ya know how anytime there is a republican who does not support Trump ...trump calls them a RINO.
    Well actually TRUMP is the finest example of Republican In Name Only. Trump does not care about the Republican Party.
    He is constantly verbally hurting Republicans.
    TRUMP is actually NOT a Republican . Trump is merely a narcissist. He is a party unto himself.
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    He certainly gives no shirts about the Republican party and there's definitely a risk involved that if they "betray" him by nominating DeSantis he'll run as an independent or something purely to ruin Republican's general election chances.
     
    Working and living among the Maga faithful, I agree with Brandon. The transition to supporting DeSantis will be pretty easy. Whatever DeSantis loses from the lunatic fringe of the Republican party, he will more than make up from the center right who split their ticket in the 2020 election.
     
    Maxp said:
    Working and living among the Maga faithful, I agree with Brandon. The transition to supporting DeSantis will be pretty easy. Whatever DeSantis loses from the lunatic fringe of the Republican party, he will more than make up from the center right who split their ticket in the 2020 election.
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    Have you seen any of these signs around yet? There are a couple I've seen that have been up for a couple months in the Malbis/Daphne area.
     

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    Someone put googly eyes on that sign. Then someone else tore them off, now Ron has no eyes.
     
    Maxp said:
    Someone put googly eyes on that sign. Then someone else tore them off, now Ron has no eyes.
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    LOL I saw the googly eyes haven't seen it yet since they've been ripped off.

    Googly eyes was pretty funny though.
     
    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    The GOP can marginalize Trump but he'll still probably take at least 20-30% of their voter base with him which would cripple their general election chances. I do agree about Biden, though. The Dems need to move on and NOT to Harris. I've always touted Mark Kelly (who seems to be on track to win reelection). A ticket of Kelly and Peltola out of Alaska would be fairly strong. They aren't overly-woke on social issues and are both pretty genuine/non-beltway insider types.

    Edited to add: But the Dems will fork it up and go with Harris or something even more laughable like Hillary.
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    I don’t think his impact would be that strong. Presuming he runs and loses the primary or decides not to run after all, when it comes time to vote for president, I don’t see 20 to 30 percent of likely GOP voters staying home because Trump, even if he’s all spiteful and tells them to.

    If he gets super spiteful and runs as an independent, then sure that probably kills the GOP in the general election. But I doubt that happens. That threat is certainly no reason to defer to Trump - that’s beyond spineless. I just don’t think trump has that sway anymore.
     
    Trumps gonna marginalize himself at this rate.
     

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    bdb13 said:
    Maybe.. I just don't think it's going to play out the same as it did when he was battling it out with Democrats and weak assed and unprepared Republican candidates in this same manner.

    Trump can call him a RINO and I'm sure his most, most hardcore supporters will parrot it.. but he's got nothing of substance there that's going to stick because, as we've all been saying, politically DeSantis is just more polished version of Trump.
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    I mean when has Trump ever had anything of substance that somehow manages to stick….I just don’t think the 20-30% crazies are going away….I sure hope Trump runs as an Indy, then Repubs would get exactly what they deserve….but as someone has already said, we will see soon…..
     

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