Does Trump ever do any jail time? (2 Viewers)

FullMonte said:

Yes, we do.

Top Secret information is information that, if released, is expected to cause “exceptionally grave damage to national security.”

Secret information is information that, if released, is expected to cause “serious damage to national security.”

Confidential information is information that, if released, is expected to cause damage to national security.

So, ANYTHING related to classified information is a national security investigation.

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Yeah I think it has been confirmed that it was a national security investigation based on classified documents. At the time of that post I didn’t think it had been.

Optimus Prime said:

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We don't have to wait for indictments, he already did all of that in his first tweet and press release. He'll just continue to hammer the same message so his devoted followers in the media will know what to repeat to his lemmings to create the feedback loop.

This guy is hinting at some speculation that I have read. There had to be some immediate reason for a search warrant. After all, they were supposedly still talking with the National Archives to return the material that the FBI picked up. Other public officials have taken stuff before and the return was negotiated without executing a warrant. So, what was the immediate threat that indicated they needed those documents back now? When it’s been months. That will be the real story, IMO. Obviously he means incriminated, btw.

MT15 said:

This guy is hinting at some speculation that I have read. There had to be some immediate reason for a search warrant. After all, they were supposedly still talking with the National Archives to return the material that the FBI picked up. Other public officials have taken stuff before and the return was negotiated without executing a warrant. So, what was the immediate threat that indicated they needed those documents back now? When it’s been months. That will be the real story, IMO.

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Well considering anyone can go there it is not secure by any way shape or form. Pay your dues see secret documents if you pay enough it is about that simple. Considering the secret service already deleted texts I am sure his guys are the loyal ones.

I would think he took things that would be of value to huge investors or countries that would pony up big bucks.

Maybe giving him too much credit and it is just his dictator love letters. If I was a dirt bag that is what I would do take stuff that has cash value.

The moose said:

Well considering anyone can go there it is not secure by any way shape or form. Pay your dues see secret documents if you pay enough it is about that simple. Considering the secret service already deleted texts I am sure his guys are the loyal ones.

I would think he took things that would be of value to huge investors or countries that would pony up big bucks.

Maybe giving him too much credit and it is just his dictator love letters. If I was a dirt bag that is what I would do take stuff that has cash value.

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Yeah, I think that’s what he’s getting at. But even so, from what I’m hearing there should be an immediate need to justify the search warrant. Maybe the FBI got wind of an impending sale of documents? Disclaimer: total and uninformed speculation, admittedly.

FullMonte said:

Yes, we do.

Top Secret information is information that, if released, is expected to cause “exceptionally grave damage to national security.”

Secret information is information that, if released, is expected to cause “serious damage to national security.”

Confidential information is information that, if released, is expected to cause damage to national security.

So, ANYTHING related to classified information is a national security investigation.

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I honestly believe that this is the end for Trump….if he had documents of this nature at his residence he is toast…willfully is practically assured here…..

I just want to see a mug shot or him in cuffs...

Then I want to see him convicted.

I hope he doesn't have a heart attack and dies before he goes to jail. He's getting pressure from multiple areas; NY AG for fraud, Fulton County DA for election fraud and Garland for Insurrection and stealing classified documents. While I would still take a massive shirte to commemorate his passing, I'd much rather hold that shirte until after I see him in cuffs or behind bars.

el caliente said:

Wouldn’t it be wild if Trump won re-election and the put a “For Sale” sign on the FBI’s HQ?

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Would be even better if Trump is convicted in NY, GA and on federal charges and Merrick puts a "For Sale" sign on Mar-A-Lago.

(CNN) - A federal appeals court on Tuesday signed off on a House Ways and Means Committee request to obtain former President Donald Trump's tax returns from the Internal Revenue Service.

The ruling from the DC Circuit Court of Appeals is a blow to Trump, who has argued for years in court against releasing his tax returns to any investigators. A trial-level judge he appointed while president previously rejected his arguments in the case…….

Yang with a really dumb take here. Nobody believes this was done by a rogue FBI station with a local judge, do they?

He's pandering for clicks.

SaulGoodmanEsq said:

He's pandering for clicks.

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He’ll be going the libertarian route shortly.

......Some leading Republicans, like Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, did not engage in such fevered speculation and kept their counsel. But the backlash from the party has been loud and broad, revealing the GOP as basically in lockstep with the Trumpian line that the Justice Department has been fully politicized and needs to be brought to heel.

There is no evidence to support the idea that the raid on Mar-a-Lago was politically motivated. FBI Director Christopher Wray is a Trump appointee and would almost certainly have personally signed off on the warrant; so too would the attorney general and a federal judge. The Biden White House, by contrast, says it was not informed of it in advance.

We also know the target was real — possibly classified documents Trump improperly brought back to his private residence — and that there are a number of serious crimes that Trump might well have committed in office.

It’s possible that the raid turns out to be an overreach or a mistake — FBI history is certainly full of those — but, as of right now, there is no evidence of any kind of political misconduct on the part of the agency.

The Republican attacks on the Mar-a-Lago raid result not from reasonable skepticism of law enforcement, but something darker: a belief on the right that the government’s functions must necessarily be partisan, either wielded for Republicans’ benefit or against them.

It is an idea that has become increasingly dominant during the Trump years — and one that threatens the foundations of American democracy...........



Whether Crowder meant “war” literally is somewhat immaterial; after January 6, we know messages urging individuals to rise to the defense of Republicans against a vast liberal conspiracy can mobilize violent actors who are all too real. If you really believed that the US government were controlled by shadowy forces who hate you, wouldn’t you act to try and save your beloved president from their clutches?

The posters on Patriots.win, a radical pro-Trump web forum, are thinking along these lines. “They’re treating it as a hot civil war,” one poster writes in the thread on the Mar-a-Lago raid. “When this is all said and done, the people responsible for these tyrannical actions need to be hanged, and memorialized with statues of loafers and high heels cast in bronze in their home towns.”

The most popular response in the thread is much shorter, just three words long: “lock and load.”........

.......Again, the case against Trump here is impossible to evaluate, because we know the basis neither for the warrant nor the investigation. So the certainty that Trump is being politically persecuted cannot be supported by evidence. It is instead based on ideology: There are people against whom law-enforcement action or abuse is always justified, and there are people against whom it can never be justified.

That is, if law-enforcement officials want to murder an unarmed Black man in the street, brutalize protesters against police misconduct, or investigate a Democratic presidential candidate, conservatives will insist that such officers are infallible and that any criticism of their conduct is outrageous. But when the law is used to investigate or restrict the conduct of people deemed by conservatives to be above its prohibitions, that is axiomatically an abuse of power.

This is why, for example, it was perfectly permissible for Trump to order his attorney general to prosecute his political opponents, to even campaign on that basis, but it is intolerable politicization for him to be investigated, regardless of the basis. Indeed, there is no need to know what the basis even is; it is by definition unjustified because of whom it targets.

This reasoning is also why the police who defended the Capitol against the rioters on January 6 were assaulted by people who in any other context would chant “Blue lives matter.” Law enforcement is legitimate and deserving of unconditional support only as long as it enforces the law against groups conservatives want it to target and exempts those they do not.

Shortly after news of the raid broke, far-right representatives such as Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Paul Gosar called for the FBI to be defunded or destroyed.

Ironically, Trump has continually received favorable treatment from the FBI. During the 2016 election, FBI Director James Comey twice aided Trump’s campaign by commenting publicly on an FBI investigation into his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, while the bureau subsequently denied to the press that the Trump campaign was being investigated for coordinating with a Russian effort to influence the election.

Then, after Comey refused to reassure Trump that the president would be above the law, Trump fired him and handpicked his replacement, who is still in office today. In 2016, Trump supporters chanted “Lock her up” in reference to Clinton’s mishandling of classified emails; today the alleged mishandling of classified information is deemed by these same supporters to be a form of political persecution.

This is not because one set of facts is more damning than another; it is because conservatives believe that the law does not apply to Trump. (The centrist version of this argument is that any politician with sufficient political support becomes an unaccountable caudillo who possesses legal immunity, a position that mocks the bedrock democratic principle of political equality.)............

This is a good point. All these Maga idiots saying the warrant was an abuse of the powers of the DOJ don’t even know what‘s in it.