What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

Saintamaniac said:

Your problem, @SteveSBrickNJ, is that you think the Republican party of today is the Republican party you remember. It is not. The republican party you remember had some sense of honor and shame. That Republican party no longer exists. The Republican party of today is treasonous and full of hypocrisy and yes, they are trying to destroy the country. They're trying to destroy it in hopes of bringing forth the birth of a new more facists America where only republicans win elections, only non-republicans have to obey laws and only republican approved religions have any kind of religious freedoms.

I guess my question to you is why do you still call yourself a Republican if you don't share the philosophy of current Republicans?

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Absolutely. The first major crack between the Republican party and me was the Terri Shiavo case. That was a family decision on whether to cut off life support. The government had no business getting involved in that matter. When the Republicans ran back to Washington to pass a law so the federal courts could get involved, I saw that the Republican party was no longer about the rule of law or about conservatism. That was the religious right of the party flexing its muscle and saying, "you have to live your life the way we want you to live your life."

Notice I said, "the way we want you to live your life" and not "the way we live our life." Many of the religious right demand you live in a manner in which they themselves do not. If I was a betting man, 90% of the people that demanded Terri Shiavo stay on life support, would have pulled the plug when faced with the same situation.

The Republican party has only gone downhill from that point. There are no standards. No morals. The only thing that matters is that the Republicans be in power. Anything is fair game to achieve that overall goal. If that means throwing out electorates, telling SOS in Georgia to throw out votes, and storming the Capitol with an armed mob, then the ends justify the means.

There was a time when Republicans would say "I don't want their votes" when talking about the Klan or other similar groups. Today, Republicans actively court the white supremist militia groups. Apart from Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney, there is no honor in the Republican party.

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I read about her full quote - and I’m pretty sure this could be done in a useful way. IIRC her quote was to tell the story of the Holocaust from the view of an ordinary German soldier. Depending on the grade level, it could be good to show how millions of ordinary people can get caught up in a fascist plot. Sorta wish millions of Rs would have had that lesson right now, tbh.

MT15 said:

I read about her full quote - and I’m pretty sure this could be done in a useful way. IIRC her quote was to tell the story of the Holocaust from the view of an ordinary German soldier. Depending on the grade level, it could be good to show how millions of ordinary people can get caught up in a fascist plot. Sorta wish millions of Rs would have had that lesson right now, tbh.

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Well in "concept" maybe it could work. But she is a Republican. She did an interview, and afterwards the reporters decided to share the interview with the Anti-Defamation League, the Maltz Museum of Jewish Heritage and the Ohio Education Association.


Lets see what she thinks of other "divisive concepts" oh... hmm lets take CRT for example...

Shockingly (okay not really) Sarah Fowler Arthur is backing 2 anti-CRT bills... kind of ironic, for her to be against people learning of the "other side" oh... except with it comes to certain topics

SteveSBrickNJ said:

They are moving closer.
Socialism and especially communism make people look to the government for their well being instead of studying hard...working hard....making a successful life on their own.

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Or maybe the attacks of socialism/communism are inserted into the political discourse by insurance companies and other private entities who make a killing on this country's broken system.

The whole of Western Europe has figured it out. And I'm sure there is no shortage of hard working people in those countries. These are only radical or socialist ideas to Americans because they have been conditioned to think that over the last hundred years.

zztop said:

Well in "concept" maybe it could work. But she is a Republican. She did an interview, and afterwards the reporters decided to share the interview with the Anti-Defamation League, the Maltz Museum of Jewish Heritage and the Ohio Education Association.

Comments about the Holocaust from representative sponsoring 'divisive concepts' bill raise concerns

As the debate over a "divisive concepts" bill rages on across the state, one of the bill's primary sponsors is getting some additional attention after her interview with News 5.

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Lets see what she thinks of other "divisive concepts" oh... hmm lets take CRT for example...

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Shockingly (okay not really) Sarah Fowler Arthur is backing 2 anti-CRT bills... kind of ironic, for her to be against people learning of the "other side" oh... except with it comes to certain topics

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Yeah, I wasn’t saying anything about her intent. I don’t know her at all.

MT15 said:

Yeah, I wasn’t saying anything about her intent. I don’t know her at all.

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The key is in the word 'divisive'. The Holocaust isn't divisive unless you have a vested interest in defending Nazism.

Taurus said:

The key is in the word 'divisive'. The Holocaust isn't divisive unless you have a vested interest in defending Nazism.

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Good catch - I guess I just started thinking about the possible uses for truly examining how fascism takes hold of ordinary people.

MT15 said:

I read about her full quote - and I’m pretty sure this could be done in a useful way. IIRC her quote was to tell the story of the Holocaust from the view of an ordinary German soldier. Depending on the grade level, it could be good to show how millions of ordinary people can get caught up in a fascist plot. Sorta wish millions of Rs would have had that lesson right now, tbh.

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While I agree that could lead to some interesting lessons, it's falls on deaf ears when she is from the same party that wants to change "slavery" to "involuntary relocation," and has a cow at the mere thought of a school mentioning that minorities haven't been treated fairly in the past.

SaulGoodmanEsq said:

The whole of Western Europe has figured it out. And I'm sure there is no shortage of hard working people in those countries. These are only radical or socialist ideas to Americans because they have been conditioned to think that over the last hundred years.

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It doesn't help when you have a political party full of the willfully ignorant who are too happy to throw the word "socialists" at people as if its some kind of insult or pejorative. Then when you question them as to the meaning of it, you get a clown show. These are the same people who screamed get rid of Obamacare but keep the ACA. It is amazing what you can get the ignorant and undereducated populace to believe and repeat these days.

The Republican Party would be smart to court people like this guy. If they push for the vote of those who are confused about why, “why can’t men breastfeed?” they can probably steel a good number of votes from the left on that issue alone.



Honestly that and the economy should be the Republicans only two talking points between now and the midterms. Do that and you can either peel off enough votes to your cause, or cause enough people to sit home.

MT15 said:

Good catch - I guess I just started thinking about the possible uses for truly examining how fascism takes hold of ordinary people.

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Yeah, my mind went where yours went.

Not only is it a good idea to realize how much easier it is to get caught up in something like what happened in Germany, or fascism than people think. It's a good idea to realize that the average German soldier in WW11 is no different than the average US soldier in that they were mostly just soldiers, not nazis. That's why we have to be so careful. That's why someone like Trump is so scary.

el caliente said:

The Republican Party would be smart to court people like this guy. If they push for the vote of those who are confused about why, “why can’t men breastfeed?” they can probably steel a good number of votes from the left on that issue alone.



Honestly that and the economy should be the Republicans only two talking points between now and the midterms. Do that and you can either peel off enough votes to your cause, or cause enough people to sit home.

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I'm no endocrinologist, but I think we can all agree that men have the right to breastfeed.
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el caliente said:

The Republican Party would be smart to court people like this guy. If they push for the vote of those who are confused about why, “why can’t men breastfeed?” they can probably steel a good number of votes from the left on that issue alone.



Honestly that and the economy should be the Republicans only two talking points between now and the midterms. Do that and you can either peel off enough votes to your cause, or cause enough people to sit home.

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Good article
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As a certifiably “serious” person, I’ve spent the past seven years trying to understand Trump voters.

After all, they’re our fellow citizens. Their flagrant anger must have some justification. It must be our fault. I mean, extensive analysis and soul-searching and self-flagellation need to be undertaken if the republic is to survive, right?

There must be a way to find common ground. (I really believe this, by the way.)


Mark Leibovich is having none of it. In his new book, “Thank You for Your Servitude: Donald Trump’s Washington and the Price of Submission,” he uses caustic quotation marks around his occasional attempts to “understand” his fellow Americans as an indication of the futility of the enterprise.

His purpose is more derisive and disdainful: “I . . . never found Trump that captivating as a stand-alone character. . . . Far more compelling to me were the slavishly devoted Republicans whom Trump drew to his side,” he writes.

Most of the events he describes are familiar, he says. “In all likelihood you’d rather not relive many of them. I sympathize.” But “the idea [of the book] is to tell the story of this ordeal through the supplicant fanboys who permitted Donald Trump’s depravity to be inflicted on the rest of us.”


Shooting vultures in a barrel, you say? Can there be fatter targets than Lindsey Graham or Kevin McCarthy or Rudy Giuliani?

Indeed, I was prepared to bluster about how cheap and dangerous such corrosive cynicism is. But Leibovich, by the end, sort of won me over……

Leibovich builds his case sequentially. During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump’s fellow Republicans devolved toward cowardice through stages of moral blindness and, finally, lickspittle supplication.

First, they ignored Trump’s utter lack of knowledge and crass behavior, hoping not to alienate his surprising legions. Their attacks on the Play-Doh despot were belated and pathetic.

Florida’s Marco Rubio talked about the size of Trump’s hands. Cruz didn’t even endorse him in his convention speech. South Carolina’s Nikki Haley said, “Donald Trump is everything we . . . teach our kids not to do in kindergarten.”

But he slaughtered the traditional Republicans.

They swallowed hard and backed him against Hillary Clinton, secure in the fog of conventional wisdom that she would win and provide a perfect piñata for Republicans when she became president.

But Clinton campaigned with all the zest of a day-old kale salad, overwhelmed by Trump’s deluge of nacho cheese dip.

Then the Republicans figured, well, he’ll pivot toward solemnity now that he’s president. Nope. “If your campaign is a cult of personality, can you really modulate that personality and still retain the cult?” Leibovich points out…….

not sure what thread this goes to

But I'm afraid this is the new normal - dispute every loss
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The election wasn't even close.

Last month, Natalie Adona won her race to become the clerk-recorder and registrar of voters in rural Nevada County with 68% of the vote — nearly 15,000 votes ahead of the man who came in second place.

But despite Adona's landslide victory, the race will be the subject of a potentially lengthy hand recount.

It is expected to take 38 days, cost more than $82,700, and require the hiring of temporary workers to count nearly 38,000 ballots.

And it is being funded by Randy Economy, a leader of the unsuccessful Republican-backed effort to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom last year.

Economy spoke vaguely about his motivations, saying "something doesn't smell right" about the county registrar's race.

"We have a crisis here in this state of who's in charge of democracy, and it ain't the county clerks, and it's not the local city clerks. It's the people," Economy said.

Economy was a spokesman and advisor for the campaign to recall Newsom. The special statewide election last September, in which voters overwhelmingly chose to keep Newsom in office, cost state and local governments more than $200 million.

In Nevada County, the involvement of Economy — a conservative radio host who lives nine hours south in the Coachella Valley — has baffled local officials, who say the recount is a waste of time and resources and is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to sow doubt in the elections process..........