Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (2 Viewers)

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    Brennan77

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    RobF said:
    I think that's the Hyde Amendment, which does allow for federal money to be used to to pay for abortions where it's "to save the life of the woman, or if the pregnancy arises from incest or rape," and which, notably, has also been excluded from Biden's recent budget proposals.

    According to this article AOC is one of those who's been calling for its restrictions to be reversed. So I would surmise that the call for abortion clinics on federal land is being made with pushing for the reversal of the Hyde Amendment also in mind, although it does seem (from a very cursory understanding) that it'd be possible to provide life-saving abortions or abortions in the case of incest or rape as it stands.

    Whether it's likely to be achievable is another question. It seems likely that it'll be difficult to get a budget that excludes the Hyde Amendment approved, and I can only start to imagine the legal and political implications of clinics on federal land. But even if we did think it a non-starter, there could still be a clear reason to call for it: to continue to highlight exactly who is acting to make it a non-starter.
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    Is this something that can be done under reconciliation in the Senate? If so, I take back my thoughts on AOC about this. She still needs to drop the perjury angle, though.
     
    Sandman said:
    I know there are other issues they will try and fire the base up with, but keeping gay people from getting married doesn’t have the same appeal as “save an unborn life for Jesus.” Republicans are the dog that caught the car.
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    It is for the evangelicals, and evangelicals are a very important voter block (if not THE voting block) for the GOP.
     
    FWIW
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    Green Day lead singer Billie Joe Armstrong told fans that he will renounce his U.S. citizenship because of his disgust over the Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade.


    In a profanity-filled speech onstage at London Stadium last Friday, Armstrong said he no longer wants to be a U.S. citizen.
“I’m … renouncing my citizenship. I’m f---ing coming here,” he said to fans, who erupted with claps and cheers.

    Green Day is on tour with Fall Out Boy and Weezer. “Oh, I’m not kidding, you’re going to get a lot of me in the coming days.”


    Armstrong, 50, has been vocal about his political views in the past, including striking out against former president Donald Trump for refusing to concede the 2020 election. He was born in the United States……..

     
    The country is divided into two groups. The first thinks Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) practiced willful blindness to rationalize her votes confirming Justices Brett M. Kavanaugh and Neil M. Gorsuch — two of the five Supreme Court justices who last week voted to blow up the basic rights of millions of women by overturning Roe v. Wade.

    This explanation assumes Collins’s aim was to survive any primary challenge from the right in her 2020 reelection.


    The second camp posits that Collins was sincere in her belief that two dedicated right-wing nominees hand-selected by the Federalist Society would not overturn Roe. In short, she was duped…..

     
    DaveXA said:
    There has to be a life of the mother exception. I don't see how a state would manage without that. Is there a state without that provision?

    I do recall there are states with old laws on the books that might not have that, but I don't know if they'd tweak it before the law goes back into effect.
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    The criteria for life of the mother is tricky and unclear. I was reading an article about pregnancy hormones causing cancer to grow faster, and other cases where a woman is under distress that threatens organ failures or death, and which would continue to worsen as the pregnancy continued. Each passing day would increase the risk to the woman's health to a near certainty, and there are many other cases where the life of the mother would get higher with each passing day, but not certain. There is discussion that doctors will have to favor saving the fetus over the women until some TBD risk is identified. This TBD risk would be legislated, rather than decided between doctors and patients, but doctors are going to be wary because their assessments may get challenged. It's going to create some tragic situations where women are killed to save their fetuses, particularly if the fetus is viable as in at least 23 weeks old.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    FWIW
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    Green Day lead singer Billie Joe Armstrong told fans that he will renounce his U.S. citizenship because of his disgust over the Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade.


    In a profanity-filled speech onstage at London Stadium last Friday, Armstrong said he no longer wants to be a U.S. citizen.
“I’m … renouncing my citizenship. I’m f---ing coming here,” he said to fans, who erupted with claps and cheers.

    Green Day is on tour with Fall Out Boy and Weezer. “Oh, I’m not kidding, you’re going to get a lot of me in the coming days.”


    Armstrong, 50, has been vocal about his political views in the past, including striking out against former president Donald Trump for refusing to concede the 2020 election. He was born in the United States……..

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    I doubt he follows through with it. Should be tough for him to get a visa to tour the US after renouncing his citizenship. His bandmates and other employees will talk him out of it.
     
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    I’m just posting here thinking about how I always remembered that Loving v. Virginia was about interracial marriage because it had “Loving” in the name, and how I always remembered Brown v. Board of Education because it was about “brown” people fighting for integrated schools.

    But I never put together until today that Roe v. Wade has to do with abortion, which has to do with a fetus, which comes from a soft egg…

    You know…like roe.

    I will see myself the fork out now.
     
    MT15 said:
    Props to Joe Burrow:

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    Yeah, I saw that earlier. Makes me respect him so much more. Some right-wing morans posted about how Tebow would be a better QB and I just chortled mightly...
     

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