Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (2 Viewers)

bdb13 said:

An amendment to the Constitution would do it, but that's not happening.

A simple law passed by Congress and signed by the President would be subject to being found as unconstitutional on some grounds related to it being a federal overreach by forcing the states to accept abortions.

@superchuck500 I'm on the right track more or less don't you think?

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Yes, I think so. I don't see how a federal prohibition on abortion can be placed within an enumerated power of Congress.

And for that matter, now that the Court has found that there is no constitutional right to abortion, I would think that a federal law protecting abortion would suffer from the same problem.

SaulGoodmanEsq said:

It's not abortion per se as it is the red state mentality. A lot of young people don't want to live in a state that would ban abortion. There's a reason a lot of the Deep South and rust belt states are growing increasingly red -- young people don't want to stay/live in Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Ohio, Wisconsin, etc.

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Bad state policies and telework will make for an interesting next decade. I think the red/blue spread within states will grow wider. If you can work from anywhere, then why stay in a place that doesn’t reflect your values.

samiam5211 said:

Before the decision leaked, i would have said that the court wouldn't be overturning Roe.

I was gullible i guess, but i think this is a case where conservatives should have been more careful about what they wished for. They had November all wrapped up, this decision is the only possibility the Democrats had to get their turnout high enough to avoid a red wave.

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No doubt. Sorta like when the dog finally catches the car...now what?

B4YOU said:

Bad state policies and telework will make for an interesting next decade. I think the red/blue spread within states will grow wider. If you can work from anywhere, then why stay in a place that doesn’t reflect your values.

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Well, being I'm a federal employee, I'm still going into the office once a week, and I suspect they're intentionally doing this to keep people from actually leaving the region. One of the stipulations of my job when I was hired is that I had to live within a certain distance to get the job.

I'd love to move and keep teleworking full time, but the way it's set up now, that's not happening.

If the democrats want to save our constitutional republic, they're going to have to do something about the right wing SC. The conservatives have not limits on personal rights that they're not willing to revoke, unless it has to do with guns. Anything they find morally objectionable, they will search for a legal theory to declare it illegal. They're like the collection of Jeffery Clark justices.

B4YOU said:

Gov Youngkin is already proposing a 15-wk limit.

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I can't say I have a huge problem with that. That's almost four months. Granted, some medical issues could arise after that period that would risk the life of the mother but I'm guessing in even the most conservative of states there is always an out if the life of the mother is at risk regardless of the time period. Otherwise the state would be compelling you to die.

coldseat said:

If the democrats want to save our constitutional republic, they're going to have to do something about the right wing SC. The conservatives have not limits on personal rights that they're not willing to revoke, unless it has to do with guns. Anything they find morally objectionable, they will search for a legal theory to declare it illegal. They're like the collection of Jeffery Clark justices.

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I was under the impression what started this was an abortion physician suing in Mississippi? You make it sound like the Justices huddled together to figure out what law they want to change next?

I would say that the justices are not wrong. There is nothing in the constitution regarding abortion. This law should have always been decided by the state and the people within that state.

Personally I am not against abortion but I am also of the opinion that there should be limits. The doctor in Mississippi if I remember correctly was saying that there should be no limits up to and including the due date. I would definitely be against that. Unless the child was not viable or there was a severe medical risk to the mother.

We have pills that can be taken the next morning to limit unwanted pregnancies and they can be had for free at clinics.

From both sides there is extremes. If a person wants to ban them all I would label that as extreme. If a person wants to allow abortions Al the way to the due date I would label that as extreme. Somewhere there has to be a middle ground.

There was a time I felt politicians could reach a middle ground but I don’t feel that way anymore. It’s either my way or you get labeled a winger of some sort or another. I think the way to fix it is term limits. Remove campaign contributions. Remove a lot of the benefits financially that these congressman have in place.

Start there and I bet you get rid of a lot of the crap we have in politics.

Saw this on LinkedIn (which is supposed to be politics/controversy free, many of the comments aren't great)
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The supreme court overturned Roe V. Wade this morning.

If you need access to abortion healthcare, I've got an east coast guest room with your name on it.

As a woman who has needed an abortion and had access, I deeply understand the way the earth has shaken beneath us today.

Women woke up today with less rights than women 50 years ago.

5 people have dictated healthcare for millions.
5 people have changed the trajectory of millions of lives.
5 people have decided that their ideals should be reflected in everyone.

This is democracy.

22 states will make accessible healthcare illegal.
Making abortions illegal doesn't stop abortions, it limits access to safe ones.

Making abortions illegal doesn't impact the wealthy, it harms those with limited resources.

Making abortions illegal doesn't stop abortions, it prevents those without access to passports, flights, and support access to safe ones.

Abortions are healthcare.
Access to healthcare is a human right.
Abortion access save lives.

If you're an organization committed to equity, how are you supporting your people today?

Yes, I said people.
This is your reminder that all kinds of people need access to abortion care, not just women.

If you're so concerned with ending abortions, start talking about access to birth control, tubal ligations, sexual education and prevention.

If you come to my page to tell me you're pro-life, please know that you are not pro-life, you are forced birth.

Not all adults want children.
Not all pregnancies can be prevented and everyone should have the choice to decide what to do with their body.

Birth control fails and our refusal to educate on this topic should be seen as a failure.

Stop painting unwanted pregnancy as a "miracle" and mind your own uterus.

Bonus Tip: It is free to mind your own body and it is free to not harass people online about the choices they make for their bodies, families and lives.

Nice read on statics according to a Gallup poll.

SaulGoodmanEsq said:

I can't say I have a huge problem with that. That's almost four months. Granted, some medical issues could arise after that period that would risk the life of the mother but I'm guessing in even the most conservative of states there is always an out if the life of the mother is at risk regardless of the time period. Otherwise the state would be compelling you to die.

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I don't have a major issue with 15 weeks but I do question whether all states will build in life of the mother exceptions.

Semper said:

From both sides there is extremes. If a person wants to ban them all I would label that as extreme. If a person wants to allow abortions Al the way to the due date I would label that as extreme. Somewhere there has to be a middle ground.

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Strongly disagree that the 'middle ground' is where the 'good' is. Middle ground has gotten America to where it is today.

What do we classify as extreme? Providing health care to all as a right? Ensuring college is affordable? That our kids our safe in schools and can breathe clean air?

Or pumping more money to private insurance companies and corporations, giving everyone a gun and acting like gun violence is a conspiracy, or that coronavirus and climate change are overblown propaganda? Which of those two situational groupings is more 'extreme'?

There isn't a 'both sides' issue. There's a one party issue. The myth of the middle shouldn't be believed.

Personally I think it is more extreme to put a woman in prison or even in some cases to death or cause her to endanger her own body in secret for having a medical procedure done to abort her fetus than it is to let her have the freedom to do so.

I never thought i'd think of my country as a backsliding Democracy. I'm trying to stay positive, but I honestly think that's where we are.

bdb13 said:

An amendment to the Constitution would do it, but that's not happening.

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We could not re-ratify the bill of rights in our present political climate.

I really hope Thomas is alone in his thinking about substantive due process. A lot of evil can be done to people without that...







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Crzycjunx76 said:

We could not re-ratify the bill of rights in our present political climate.

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Yes, the most basic of facts and ideals are to be vociferouslyargued about in our current climate. There's nothing political in nature that we can have consensus on.

VP on abortion

Heathen said:

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I never thought i'd think of my country as a backsliding Democracy. I'm trying to stay positive, but I honestly think that's where we are.

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I'm afraid that is where we are.

Semper said:

I was under the impression what started this was an abortion physician suing in Mississippi? You make it sound like the Justices huddled together to figure out what law they want to change next?

I would say that the justices are not wrong. There is nothing in the constitution regarding abortion. This law should have always been decided by the state and the people within that state.

Personally I am not against abortion but I am also of the opinion that there should be limits. The doctor in Mississippi if I remember correctly was saying that there should be no limits up to and including the due date. I would definitely be against that. Unless the child was not viable or there was a severe medical risk to the mother.

We have pills that can be taken the next morning to limit unwanted pregnancies and they can be had for free at clinics.

From both sides there is extremes. If a person wants to ban them all I would label that as extreme. If a person wants to allow abortions Al the way to the due date I would label that as extreme. Somewhere there has to be a middle ground.

There was a time I felt politicians could reach a middle ground but I don’t feel that way anymore. It’s either my way or you get labeled a winger of some sort or another. I think the way to fix it is term limits. Remove campaign contributions. Remove a lot of the benefits financially that these congressman have in place.

Start there and I bet you get rid of a lot of the crap we have in politics.

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You should read Robert's opinion. That's probably how the case should have been decided. I'll just post the first two pages. Then read Thomas' that I posted earlier. He's licking his chops to go after all substantive due process cases.

superchuck500 said:

I think if you want to understand the rationale, this is it in a nutshell

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thats a load.

some aged document has nothing to do with my body. ever.
not even cuz a bunch of white guys claim it.

BullSheetBuddha said:

VP on abortion


I'm afraid that is where we are.

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All of the major democracy/freedom indexes i have seen paint this picture. We are above average world wide... but firmly middle of the pack and trending the wrong way.