All things Racist...USA edition (6 Viewers)

Paul said:

Is there the possibility that some groups misbehave more than others?

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You mean like white, nationalist terrorists?

@Paul -

that is just…wrong. it’s obvious whatever job you have you are not the one making the decisions.

You just just ordered a pizza at McDonald’s so we have to go back, put back together the argument - all the way to the original point.

The pay gap has nothing to do with anything you just mentioned. Literally nothing. At all.

The gap is describing what a female is paid for doing THE SAME JOB. Ignoring that phrase makes the argument completely change. That part of the phrase is as important to consider as the first in order to the complete thought; otherwise you are just arguing against the wrong point. Like Democratic Socialism.

I digress.

It isn’t hard. Women get paid less and typically reach exec level in HR only because most dudes are too insecure to work for a woman. Women are less engineers and construction workers, but they are hardly rare now. At this moment, I run half a billion $ in construction. My biggest project (Seattle) has a women PM for the General Contractor and the Associate Architect of Record is too. One of the iron workers that has their orbital weld cert is a woman. And all of them work weekends and overtime. And they birch a lot less than the guys too.

Paul said:

Is there the possibility that some groups misbehave more than others?

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Oh most definitely. Republicans support and make excuses for racists and insurrectionist in far greater numbers and considerably more often than Democrats do so I agree with you that some groups misbehave more than others.

I'm glad you are finally beginning to see the fallacy of your persistent infatuation with "but both sides do it" mantra.

Sandman said:

You mean like white, nationalist terrorists?

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Nope
I am talking about students in class. Any chance some groups misbehave more than others?

MT15 said:

For someone who rails against identity politics, you sure like to categorize people and make all sorts of assumptions about them as a group. See the problem there, or no?

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Is there any chance some groups misbehave more than others?

First Time Poster said:

You love dipping your toe in the bigot pool, don't you?

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Don’t play the PC Card. I think this is a legit question.

Paul said:

Is there the possibility that some groups misbehave more than others?

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Oh for forks sake.

Paul said:

Nope
I am talking about students in class. Any chance some groups misbehave more than others?

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Paul said:

Is there the possibility that some groups misbehave more than others?

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You've gone out of your way to insist that individuals should be judged as individuals, not as part of a group. That even discussing race issues somehow advances racism.

Then you ask a question about "group" characteristics. If your belief is that people should be judged on their individual merits and not as a "group," why even ask that question? You either are asking that question honestly, in which case your previous posts aren't completely honest, or you're just trolling. Which is it?

V Chip said:

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He went all in, dropped the charade and now all the cards are on the table for everyone to see. To even entertain that question is a strong indication of where he is mentally...as if we didn't already know.

Paul said:

Is there any chance some groups misbehave more than others?

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Are you saying IF one group misbehaves more than others, it would be ok to punish that individual more because of his ethic groups "behavioral" tendencies?
That sounds like what you are saying. you are insinuating black people as a whole have a behavior issues. That's like saying because most illegal immigrants are Hispanic, then all Hispanic people should be treated as if they are illegal..
Come on down to Denham Springs and roll through Easterover Estates Trailer Park and see if "behavioral" issues are confined to ethic groups. Also come to Walker and roll through Silent Oaks Trailer park and see the model citizenship of the group with better "behavioral" roles.
Don't dance around with what you want to say. Just be a man and say it.

not2rich said:

You've gone out of your way to insist that individuals should be judged as individuals, not as part of a group. That even discussing race issues somehow advances racism.

Then you ask a question about "group" characteristics. If your belief is that people should be judged on their individual merits and not as a "group," why even ask that question? You either are asking that question honestly, in which case your previous posts aren't completely honest, or you're just trolling. Which is it?

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Paul never wants to discuss people as a group unless he’s looking to disparage an entire group, then it’s ok.

not2rich said:

You've gone out of your way to insist that individuals should be judged as individuals, not as part of a group. That even discussing race issues somehow advances racism.

Then you ask a question about "group" characteristics. If your belief is that people should be judged on their individual merits and not as a "group," why even ask that question? You either are asking that question honestly, in which case your previous posts aren't completely honest, or you're just trolling. Which is it?

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Ok, that is a fair question? Is there the possibility that some individual students misbehave more than others?

Bigdaddysaints said:

Are you saying IF one group misbehaves more than others, it would be ok to punish that individual more because of his ethic groups "behavioral" tendencies?

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I believe that all factors need to be analyzed when trying to figure out why some students get in trouble more often than others.

Bigdaddysaints said:

That sounds like what you are saying. you are insinuating black people as a whole have a behavior issues. That's like saying because most illegal immigrants are Hispanic, then all Hispanic people should be treated as if they are illegal..
Come on down to Denham Springs and roll through Easterover Estates Trailer Park and see if "behavioral" issues are confined to ethic groups. Also come to Walker and roll through Silent Oaks Trailer park and see the model citizenship of the group with better "behavioral" roles.
Don't dance around with what you want to say. Just be a man and say it.

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As someone stated above it is poor firm to judge a person according to membership in a group, Each individual is unique and could be totally different from the group stereotype. However, it is inescapable that groups exhibit tendencies.

I am not a public school teacher therefore I do not know if some students have different tendencies. Perhaps the tendency to misbehave is mostly related to a dysfunctional home with no discipline.

Paul said:

I believe that all factors need to be analyzed when trying to figure out why some students get in trouble more often than others.

As someone stated above it is poor firm to judge a person according to membership in a group, Each individual is unique and could be totally different from the group stereotype. However, it is inescapable that groups exhibit tendencies.

I am not a public school teacher therefore I do not know if some students have different tendencies. Perhaps the tendency to misbehave is mostly related to a dysfunctional home with no discipline.

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Define misbehave.

my wife taught for 35 years. She taught in Catholic schools and public schools. She taught primarily in low income areas. The last 27 years of her career she taught physics.

The reasons that a child, any child, behaves in a particular manner are extremely numerous and varied. This also applies to the manner in which children learn. Among the forces at work which impact “behavior” are the following: economic, family situation, peer groups, hierarchies with which the child comes into contact, emotional growth, physical growth, physical characteristics, social “norms” and attitudes including particularly what is “acceptable and normal”, the physical world and access or lack thereof, health and access or lack thereof to healthcare.

Shall we go on?

Paul said:

I believe that all factors need to be analyzed when trying to figure out why some students get in trouble more often than others.

As someone stated above it is poor firm to judge a person according to membership in a group, Each individual is unique and could be totally different from the group stereotype. However, it is inescapable that groups exhibit tendencies.

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I'm still not following. Are you saying that if a black kid misbehaves, it shouldn't matter what his actions alone were, It should be taken into account what other black kids in the school have done and reputations are?

If the white kid throws an eraser at another kid playing around, but he is a model student, he gets detention. Most of his friends are model students also.
If the black kid throws an eraser at another kid playing around, but he is a model student, he gets a suspension. Most of his friends are not model students.

Shouldn't they get the same punishment or should the black kid get a harsher punishment because his friends may be known to misbehave?
This what you are explaining to me.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/pa...gregating-classes/2PNTBQDPQRCM7CXJTESRXUTMJE/

Racial segregation in Atlanta elementary school.