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Farb said:

Just to provide some clarity to several, I know several people that cannot have internet access because of where they live being too remote. The cost and unreliability of satellite internet is also a detriment.

My elderly parents have internet but might as well not (only used for netflix). They received their vaccinations by using phone to set appointments, as I see some people on here are recommending. The information is available, how one choses to access it is on them.

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.. Well I would just say from there you're mostly left with the ones who either just didn't want the vaccine for whatever personal reason(s).. or that people didn't have the curiosity/motivation to help themselves.

Far more people in the former category rather than the latter.. which is what I meant when I said I thought Biden's answer was probably an oversimplification (or misleading, whichever way you sway).. lack of exposure to technology contributes sure, but it wouldn't be the main factor imo.

Brandon13 said:

.. Well I would just say from there you're mostly left with the ones who either just didn't want the vaccine for whatever personal reason(s).. or that people didn't have the curiosity/motivation to help themselves.

Far more people in the former category rather than the latter.. which is what I meant when I said I thought Biden's answer was probably an oversimplification (or misleading, whichever way you sway).. lack of exposure to technology contributes sure, but it wouldn't be the main factor imo.

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How about mailing instructions to everyone on how to get information about the vaccine? It should include telephone numbers, addresses (physical and email), and websites. Those with computer technology challenges, can find physical addresses or make phone calls. Those that can't, probably know someone that can.

Farb said:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bide...get-online-to-determine-how-to-get-vaccinated

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-minority-communities-dont-112609770.html (video)

“The other portion is a lot of people don’t know how to register,” Biden said. “Not everybody in the community, in the Hispanic and the African-American community, particularly in rural areas that are distant and/or inner city districts, know how to use … know how to get online to determine how to get in line for that COVID vaccination at the Walgreens or at the particular store.”

I have heard this several times in the past and I have not seen any evidence that this is true. Are rural poorer people too dumb to figure this out? If a rural American cant figure out how to get on-line, how do they get prescriptions filled, register to vote?
Is the vaccine information only available online?
To me, this is just more of the bigotry of low expectations

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It's kind of true. I had to help my parents (72 and 70) and they live in what would be considered Rural America. What percentage of people 65+ (especially those in their 70's and 80's) have computers and the internet? My parents just have a tablet that my mom uses; somewhat poorly. They don't have a computer.

The problem, without me looking up data, is that a lot of rural counties have somewhat older demographics. At least that's how it looks when I visit. It might move the median age only a couple years, but small counties, with a large population over 65, and getting a small percentage of new vaccine's, and spotty internet service, or don't have computers.

I mean, this is the demographic that mostly uses their phones. So, why not be able to call in and have someone take your info? For whatever reason, their county isn't doing that. Now, it may very well be due to the fact the county probably has a very small health department. The whole county is like 170k people.

My mom was waiting for her doctor or the pharmacist to contact her, then I found out the county had a form they were using to make a list of those over 65 who wanted the vaccine. They haven't even gotten to seniors yet, or only barely.

That's not even considering the poverty part of it, where a lot of school districts had to loan out laptops (if they had them) to many of their students, especially those on reduced or free lunch, because the family may not have a computer, or may only have one that their kids couldn't all share at the same time.

So, GMR, no I hadn’t heard that phrase. I haven’t always been into politics so much. I do remember compassionate conservatism, though, if that makes you feel better.

thanks, Farb. Biden doesn’t always speak smoothly. I do believe his actions will show his true intent, though, and I think his true intent here is good. Poor folks in both the inner city and in rural areas don’t have decent internet. And especially older folks (although I’m nearly 66 and feel like I’m no stranger to computers, so maybe like my brother and sister who are in their seventies) are unfamiliar with websites and apps. I really don’t detect malice here. Biden knows how important the black vote was/is for him.

GMRfellowtraveller said:

your cost benefit analysis is cast way too narrowly
consider pre-K vs prisons - you're going to have to pay for one of them
would you say, it's cheaper and better for society to pay for pre-K

now we have both a labor force and an economy that has gotten fairly stagnant - unaffordable but necessary higher education is a major culprit
take away the debt burden (allowing more people to pursue a broader array of interests) and the labor force gets more dynamic and economy revs up

when i went to grad school, physical therapy was the hot new field - so naturally everyone signed up for PT school
and the obvious thing happened

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I haven't studied the pre-K investments and how that correlates to likelihood of being imprisoned, but I suspect that people that put their kids in pre-K are already less likely to have kids that will land in jail.

I'm not sure how that relates to the point I was making about finding a way to establish accountability for 2 free years of education. I don't have the solution for how to get that accountability, but I think we need to find a way. Besides, the problem is that universities are too expensive, and many people go into large debt to pay those exorbitant costs, partially due to the demand for a college education at almost any cost. The hard truth is that too many people are going to college for the wrong education, because not every degree leads to more earnings. Medical schools limit the number of graduates each year, and we probably should consider doing that for undergraduate degrees as well. However, college is a racket, and they don't want that. Giving away 2 years of college for free seems laudable, but it could exacerbate the problem. It'll probably increase the cost even more, and we'll have more people going to college for 2 years that should've learned the material in high school. Rather than giving away 2 years of college, which won't earn much, and will still lead to people going into debt to finish the degrees for the wrong education, I think we should use the money to improve high schools, and offer far more scholarships for at least 4 years, particularly in fields that will support our future economy, and scholarships for specialized training.

MT15 said:

So, GMR, no I hadn’t heard that phrase. I haven’t always been into politics so much. I do remember compassionate conservatism, though, if that makes you feel better.

thanks, Farb. Biden doesn’t always speak smoothly. I do believe his actions will show his true intent, though, and I think his true intent here is good. Poor folks in both the inner city and in rural areas don’t have decent internet. And especially older folks (although I’m nearly 66 and feel like I’m no stranger to computers, so maybe like my brother and sister who are in their seventies) are unfamiliar with websites and apps. I really don’t detect malice here. Biden knows how important the black vote was/is for him.

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Pretty much the same sentiments on the phrasing.

MT15 said:

So, GMR, no I hadn’t heard that phrase. I haven’t always been into politics so much.

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that's what confused me - you seem broadly knowledgeable about most political topics and that was fairly big at the time that your comment seemed tongue in cheek but i was missing the 'joke'
what you say makes sense

Lapaz said:

I haven't studied the pre-K investments and how that correlates to likelihood of being imprisoned, but I suspect that people that put their kids in pre-K are already less likely to have kids that will land in jail.

I'm not sure how that relates to the point I was making about finding a way to establish accountability for 2 free years of education. I don't have the solution for how to get that accountability, but I think we need to find a way. Besides, the problem is that universities are too expensive, and many people go into large debt to pay those exorbitant costs, partially due to the demand for a college education at almost any cost. The hard truth is that too many people are going to college for the wrong education, because not every degree leads to more earnings. Medical schools limit the number of graduates each year, and we probably should consider doing that for undergraduate degrees as well. However, college is a racket, and they don't want that. Giving away 2 years of college for free seems laudable, but it could exacerbate the problem. It'll probably increase the cost even more, and we'll have more people going to college for 2 years that should've learned the material in high school. Rather than giving away 2 years of college, which won't earn much, and will still lead to people going into debt to finish the degrees for the wrong education, I think we should use the money to improve high schools, and offer far more scholarships for at least 4 years, particularly in fields that will support our future economy, and scholarships for specialized training.

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there's compelling research showing that if kids get quality pre-K instruction there are much more likely to stay out of prison

if you looked at pre-K from a strict cost benefit analysis, you could come up with all sorts of narrowly cast reasons that it's not cost-effective
but i think the best analyses for these sorts of cross field issues is a broad one that looks for greatest societal benefit
to that end an 'accountable' college education further cements class divides as it would harden and narrow the paths for the 'working class'
Victorian England tired this and it wasn't pretty

so just like you fund pre-K for its long term societal benefit - we should do the same for college

college/university education is NOT a racket, but high education administration certainly has become that

GMRfellowtraveller said:

that's what confused me - you seem broadly knowledgeable about most political topics and that was fairly big at the time that your comment seemed tongue in cheek but i was missing the 'joke'
what you say makes sense

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Seeming broadly knowledgeable is my jam, what can I say?

I can't say that I'm surprised about Tanden. She seemed to be the most controversial Biden nominee.

I'm sure many people on the left will be upset at Biden over this, but I actually agree with him. The deportations should continue since it's still a crime to enter the country Illegally. I agree that the immigration system needs to be reformed, but we should still be able to deport people.

SaintForLife said:

I'm sure many people on the left will be upset at Biden over this, but I actually agree with him. The deportations should continue since it's still a crime to enter the country Illegally. I agree that the immigration system needs to be reformed, but we should still be able to deport people.

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Set an 'as of' date and pathway to citizenship for otherwise law abiding illegals already here.. and continue to enforce the law with individuals who illegally enter the country.

Those parts in conjunction are pretty much what I've wanted for awhile.

Brandon13 said:

Set an 'as of' date and pathway to citizenship for otherwise law abiding illegals already here.. and continue to enforce the law with individuals who illegally enter the country.

Those parts in conjunction are pretty much what I've wanted for awhile.

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I can live with that.

SaulGoodmanEsq said:

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When you know you're a loser...

SaulGoodmanEsq said:

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If Trump had had a dog in his time in the White House you know what would have not made any sense to me for Democrats to attack?

The freakiing dog!

Lol Jesus man..

I’m glad they are starting to respond to this.