The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (1 Viewer)

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    She actually did really well on Bill Maher, considering how detached from reality she is.. Bill was right when he said that ‘Trump picked the right person for the job’, becuase she was quick with her retorts and talking points.. unfortunately they were all- ‘truth-challenged’, to put it mildly.. but, bless her heart, she’s obviously a true believer and her self-admitted Christian evangelicalism was shining through.

    You can be quick witted and still be a moron.
     
    One of those has come out publicly to say she has NOT spoken with Graham. I forget which state, but he is lying about one of them.
     
    One of those has come out publicly to say she has NOT spoken with Graham. I forget which state, but he is lying about one of them.


    Or she is smarter than him and knows the safe thing would be to deny it.
     
    Or she is smarter than him and knows the safe thing would be to deny it.
    That was my thinking as well and it makes more sense to me that she'd be lying about it now rather than Graham lying about having spoken to her, especially knowing that Graham has done it already in Georgia.
     
    Seriously though. Rudy just needs to retire and go on a vacation away from all this nonsense. His reputation is bad enough as it is. This is literally a shirtshow. I'm enjoying it though. :hihi:

    Would rather he be disbarred and in a jail cell for life (for traitorous acts) but I'll settle for him just going away....
     
    The GA Secretary of State is a true Patriot, deserving of our gratitude. Of course, he is just doing his job with integrity, so refreshing in these times. Great report on him from Propublica:


    “Long before Republican senators began publicly denouncing how Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger handled the voting there, he withstood pressure from the campaign of Donald Trump to endorse the president for reelection.

    Raffensperger, a Republican, declined an offer in January to serve as an honorary co-chair of the Trump campaign in Georgia, according to emails reviewed by ProPublica. He later rejected GOP requests to support Trump publicly, he and his staff said in interviews. Raffensperger said he believed that, because he was overseeing the election, it would be a conflict of interest for him to take sides. Around the country, most secretaries of state remain officially neutral in elections.

    The attacks on his job performance are “clear retaliation,” Raffensperger said. “They thought Georgia was a layup shot Republican win. It is not the job of the secretary of state’s office to deliver a win — it is the sole responsibility of the Georgia Republican Party to get out the vote and get its voters to the polls. That is not the job of the secretary of state’s office.””
     
    The GA Secretary of State is a true Patriot, deserving of our gratitude. Of course, he is just doing his job with integrity, so refreshing in these times. Great report on him from Propublica:


    “Long before Republican senators began publicly denouncing how Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger handled the voting there, he withstood pressure from the campaign of Donald Trump to endorse the president for reelection.

    Raffensperger, a Republican, declined an offer in January to serve as an honorary co-chair of the Trump campaign in Georgia, according to emails reviewed by ProPublica. He later rejected GOP requests to support Trump publicly, he and his staff said in interviews. Raffensperger said he believed that, because he was overseeing the election, it would be a conflict of interest for him to take sides. Around the country, most secretaries of state remain officially neutral in elections.

    The attacks on his job performance are “clear retaliation,” Raffensperger said. “They thought Georgia was a layup shot Republican win. It is not the job of the secretary of state’s office to deliver a win — it is the sole responsibility of the Georgia Republican Party to get out the vote and get its voters to the polls. That is not the job of the secretary of state’s office.””
    I know the GOP thought this way about GA because its previous SoS would have gladly jumped at the opportunity to wave the trump flag over the state. Unfortunately for them, Kemp used his position to manufacture his way into the Governor's office.
     
    Trump has now tweeted this claim multiple times. I don't get it unless his objective is purely to restate patently false claims enough that people believe them. (Of course this is his MO for years, so not sure why I'm surprised).



    The truth just doesn't matter anymore. You can say pretty much what you want and get away with it when you're Trump.
     
    On a lighter note. The guy who was posting play by play of the court session yesterday changed his username to NormalScrutinyHat. Clever, lmao!

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    Trump has now tweeted this claim multiple times. I don't get it unless his objective is purely to restate patently false claims enough that people believe them. (Of course this is his MO for years, so not sure why I'm surprised).


    I don't understand why he is saying more votes than people. I have heard him, I think, or maybe it is others, say that there are more votes than voters - or more votes than people that voted - so I think that is what he means. [And, I am not sure what that guy on twitter is responding to, Trump is talking about Detroit, not Wayne County - they are obviously distinct even though Detroit is a part of Wayne County]

    But it is missing the point no matter what, beyond just being false. Trump did better in Detroit than in 2016. He did better relative to Joe Biden. He lost Michigan not because of Detroit but because of the Detroit suburbs. It is the same thing in Georgia - he did better in the dense, urban, areas whose populations are overwhelmingly minority. In Georgia it was more pronounced than in Michigan, but it was present in both.

    I have not looked at Philly or Pitt yet - but plan to do so at some point.
     
    I don't understand why he is saying more votes than people. I have heard him, I think, or maybe it is others, say that there are more votes than voters - or more votes than people that voted - so I think that is what he means. [And, I am not sure what that guy on twitter is responding to, Trump is talking about Detroit, not Wayne County - they are obviously distinct even though Detroit is a part of Wayne County]

    But it is missing the point no matter what, beyond just being false. Trump did better in Detroit than in 2016. He did better relative to Joe Biden. He lost Michigan not because of Detroit but because of the Detroit suburbs. It is the same thing in Georgia - he did better in the dense, urban, areas whose populations are overwhelmingly minority. In Georgia it was more pronounced than in Michigan, but it was present in both.

    I have not looked at Philly or Pitt yet - but plan to do so at some point.
    I posted this last night in the Trump Tracker thread. I'll just repost it here. Either he is purposefully misrepresenting the issue, or is confused. It's hard to tell with him by his twitter rants.

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    I think he thinks it means more votes were cast than eligible voters. However, I think the complaint is that the number of folks that were signed in to vote was less than the votes, or at least not the same number. I'm not exactly sure what an absentee ballot poll board is, but...

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...vember-3-election-results/6324274002/tallied?

    The votes came after absentee ballot poll books at 70% of Detroit's 134 absentee counting boards were found to be out of balance without explanation. The mismatches varied anywhere from one to more than four votes.

    In August, canvassers found 72% of Detroit's absentee voting precincts didn't match the number of ballots cast. The imbalances between August and November are not an exact comparison since August's canvassing was based on results from 503 precincts and November's canvassing was based on 134 counting boards

    So, 1-4 votes per board, so maybe 134 - 536 ballots don't line up with their received count?

    Biden won by about 146,000 votes.
     
    On a lighter note. The guy who was posting play by play of the court session yesterday changed his username to NormalScrutinyHat. Clever, lmao!

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    He changes it pretty regularly. Ken White has written legal analysis in The Atlantic and elsewhere. He’s a former criminal AUSA , big law survivor, and now a managing partner at a smaller firm he co-founded.


     
    The GA Secretary of State is a true Patriot, deserving of our gratitude. Of course, he is just doing his job with integrity, so refreshing in these times. Great report on him from Propublica:


    “Long before Republican senators began publicly denouncing how Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger handled the voting there, he withstood pressure from the campaign of Donald Trump to endorse the president for reelection.

    Raffensperger, a Republican, declined an offer in January to serve as an honorary co-chair of the Trump campaign in Georgia, according to emails reviewed by ProPublica. He later rejected GOP requests to support Trump publicly, he and his staff said in interviews. Raffensperger said he believed that, because he was overseeing the election, it would be a conflict of interest for him to take sides. Around the country, most secretaries of state remain officially neutral in elections.

    The attacks on his job performance are “clear retaliation,” Raffensperger said. “They thought Georgia was a layup shot Republican win. It is not the job of the secretary of state’s office to deliver a win — it is the sole responsibility of the Georgia Republican Party to get out the vote and get its voters to the polls. That is not the job of the secretary of state’s office.””

    Of course, Louisiana's idiot SoS was making appearances at campaign events and such...

     
    Of course, Louisiana's idiot SoS was making appearances at campaign events and such...


    LA is also well past its certification date. I can't help but wonder if there's something cooking there . . . obviously not because the result was bad for Republicans but if there might be an effort to resist certification in other states like Georgia, would it be helpful for GOP allied states like LA to have also not certified. "Put the whole system on trial!"

    It's the sort of silly conspiracy theory I typically dismiss and discourage. But it is curious. Perhaps there's a better reason, I haven't seen any discussion about it. Or it could just be LA and nothing is on time.
     

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