The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (5 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    And secondly.. this means, absent the SCOTUS, only the State courts can be involved? This would hold that the Federal courts can't get involved?

    Absent SCOTUS intervention, this ruling controls the federal district courts in the 3d Circuit (including Pennsylvania). It also effectively controls (via claim preclusion under rules of comity between federal and state courts) the state courts to the extent that a plaintiff would bring the same claims in state court.
     
    Absent SCOTUS intervention, this ruling controls the federal district courts in the 3d Circuit (including Pennsylvania). It also effectively controls (via claim preclusion under rules of comity between federal and state courts) the state courts to the extent that a plaintiff would bring the same claims in state court.
    Can you put that second part in plain english? You mean that state courts can say they don't have standing and just toss the cases?
     
    Can you put that second part in plain english? You mean that state courts can say they don't have standing and just toss the cases?

    No, they would rule that the claims have already been decided ("res judicata") by a court of competent jurisdiction and their own rules require them to adhere to earlier ruling on the same claims related to the same transaction or occurrence.
     
    Oh look, another loss in court for this ridiculous episode.

     
    White House parade of wackadoddles continues:


    If Trump shows up at Biden's inauguration, is he gonna pull a Kanye and try to cut in at the swearing in?
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    Oh look, another loss in court for this ridiculous episode.


    Boom goes the dynamite.

    "Plaintiffs’ affiants did not have a full understanding of the TCF absent ballot tabulation process," Kenny wrote, referring to the Detroit convention center where vote counting took place. "No formal challenges were filed. However, sinister, fraudulent motives were ascribed to the process and the City of Detroit. Plaintiffs’ interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible."
     

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