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    To get our minds off of the virus, debates and campaign theatrics for a moment, I thought it might be an interesting exercise to post our predictions of the final Electoral College margin. Of course, any prediction made would be a moment-in-time snapshot of what we think will happen given the current circumstances. Any number of factors could influence the vote over the final month of the campaign.

    There are sites that can help you arrive at your prediction. Real Clear Politics and 538 have polling data that can help you come up with a number. I use RCP mostly because they have a good interactive national map that's easy to use and they don't include polls conducted by companies like SurveyMonkey. They do, however include partisan polling, like Trafalgar and Change Research.

    My prediction started with looking at a best case scenario for a Trump reelection. I started by putting all of the states shown to lean in one direction in that camp. RCP shows states like Indiana and Missouri leaning Trump and Oregon and Virginia leaning Biden when those states and others like them are certainly going to end up in those columns. That leaves 11 "battleground" states (and two one-vote congressional districts) that theoretically could go either way and gives a picture of a 226-125 Biden lead before assigning a winner in those states. In looking at Trump's best case scenario, I gave him every state in which he is marginally ahead and those he is behind by less less than five points, as well as the two congressional districts. That would provide Biden with a slim 278-260 win. To come out with a better scenario for Trump, you would need to assign one or more of Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin or New Hampshire to Trump and he is trailing in all of those states by more than five points.

    However, I don't believe that Trump will achieve his best case numbers and Biden could win several more states, like Arizona, Ohio, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, Georgia and Texas. I still think Trump will likely keep Texas, Iowa and Georgia, so my prediction as of today is 353-185 in favor of Biden.

    If you choose to participate in this exercise, you are welcome to give different predictions over the course of the next month. I intend to post a final prediction on Nov. 2/3 and may even post a weekly prediction, depending on the level of participation.
     
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    I think Trump will have to pull out of the debates. I think he's sick enough that he can't hide it for the duration of a debate and I think that will be true all the way up to the election.
    I was thinking the same. I have a feeling he will use any new rules proposed as a reason to drop out. He might do the third if he is healthy enough.
     
    I was thinking the same. I have a feeling he will use any new rules proposed as a reason to drop out. He might do the third if he is healthy enough.

    I tend to think either he'll find a way to pin avoiding debates on Biden or he'll go ahead and debate anyway. Refusing to debate outright would make him look weak and he can't have that. His ego won't let him skip imo.
     
    Trump will debate unless he's unconscious. Not showing up -- no matter what spin he puts on it -- is a sign of weakness/surrender. His whole angle was 'Sleepy Joe will look lost in the debates!' Well, what does it say about you if you are too afraid to show up against Sleepy Joe? Even worse, I would assume if Trump backs out, they will still broadcast the debate but just let Joe Biden take questions from the audience the entire time. That would be a disaster for Trump.
     
    Trump will debate unless he's unconscious. Not showing up -- no matter what spin he puts on it -- is a sign of weakness/surrender. His whole angle was 'Sleepy Joe will look lost in the debates!' Well, what does it say about you if you are too afraid to show up against Sleepy Joe? Even worse, I would assume if Trump backs out, they will still broadcast the debate but just let Joe Biden take questions from the audience the entire time. That would be a disaster for Trump.

    I'd take it a step further. It's an opportunity for Trump to prove he's beaten CV. I'm sure that's what he's thinking to himself anyway. I dunno though. If he's in a lengthy debate with Biden, I'm not sure how well he'll do. I think Biden should do them tbh. He'll be fine as long as he doesn't try to do too much. Let Trump do the heavy lifting and make the big mistakes.
     
    The next debate is scheduled for ten days from today, and it takes ten days after symptoms resolve to no longer be contagious. Unless his symptoms have resolved the ten day clock hasn’t started. If I’m Joe Biden I don’t get in the same room with him.
     
    The next debate is scheduled for ten days from today, and it takes ten days after symptoms resolve to no longer be contagious. Unless his symptoms have resolved the ten day clock hasn’t started. If I’m Joe Biden I don’t get in the same room with him.

    If I understand correctly, the next debate is a town hall style debate. I'm not sure how that would work also.
     
    NBC is tracking mailing ballot requests and ballots submitted. Trump has a slight lead of 2-4% in ballot requests for AZ, MI, and WI. But Biden has a massive lead in PA and a 15pt lead in FL. The question left unanswered is will those party numbers reflect voting patterns.

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    NBC is tracking mailing ballot requests and ballots submitted. Trump has a slight lead of 2-4% in ballot requests for AZ, MI, and WI. But Biden has a massive lead in PA and a 15pt lead in FL. The question left unanswered is will those party numbers reflect voting patterns.

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    Then I expect Trump to be gearing up to make a ferverent legal challenge to mail in ballots in PA and FL.
     
    I think Trump will have to pull out of the debates. I think he's sick enough that he can't hide it for the duration of a debate and I think that will be true all the way up to the election.

    This. I still don't think he's out of the woods and news that he was brought back to the hospital will plummet confidence after his little parade indicating he somehow beat COVID. I think it will be a pretty sobering reminder that folks should take pandemics seriously.
     
    This. I still don't think he's out of the woods and news that he was brought back to the hospital will plummet confidence after his little parade indicating he somehow beat COVID. I think it will be a pretty sobering reminder that folks should take pandemics seriously.

    When was he brought back to the hospital? I haven't heard that yet. Or are you speculating that will happen?
     
    My prediction will change if the polling stays the same through the end of next week. The latest set of polls has Biden basically lapping Trump (double-digit leads). I believe in looking at aggregate polling, not individual polls. His aggregate number is at 9.2 up, but that's based on a slew of 10-13 pt lead polls since the debate.

    If he can stay in that 8-9 pt area I think the election will be theft-proof. If it gets back down to around 6 I think there are avenues to a Trump "win".
     
    My prediction will change if the polling stays the same through the end of next week. The latest set of polls has Biden basically lapping Trump (double-digit leads). I believe in looking at aggregate polling, not individual polls. His aggregate number is at 9.2 up, but that's based on a slew of 10-13 pt lead polls since the debate.

    If he can stay in that 8-9 pt area I think the election will be theft-proof. If it gets back down to around 6 I think there are avenues to a Trump "win".

    Yeah, I don't think we've seen the October surprise yet. I'm fully expecting something. Hopefully we get a clear, unquestionable outcome so we can move on from 2020, lol.
     
    I know, I know, 2016, but my god no 2016 poll (or any October poll in any race I can recall) looked like this.



    I think we learned from 2016 that the Democratic candidate probably needs to win by 3-4% of the popular vote to win the electoral college in its current form. I won't do the map because if Biden wins by double digits nationally it is almost inconceivable that he would lose the electoral college (but I know, I know, 2020).

    And to those who say that this will discourage people from voting, I don't buy it. I think the expectation of chaos and uncertainty is what will drive people to vote this time and that no one thinks this is a done deal. And high turnout favors only one of the candidates here.
     
    This. I still don't think he's out of the woods and news that he was brought back to the hospital will plummet confidence after his little parade indicating he somehow beat COVID. I think it will be a pretty sobering reminder that folks should take pandemics seriously.

    Agreed. I don't think he's anywhere near as healthy as his propaganda would indicate. From everything we know, he was given therapeutics, those are not cures. They surely helped him feel better and fight of symptoms, but that doesn't necessarily mean his immune system is fighting the virus any more effectively. This virus ebbs and flows and can easily come back stronger. We already know that he had a strong early onset of symptoms, which indicates that he had a strong infection/viral load and weak immune response. Instead of resting and recovering, all of these little stunts he's putting on are only taxing his body and immune system more, not to mention the stress of the election. I really think he's in a long battle with this virus that will go much longer than the election.
     
    This is my conservative prediction, based on the general assumption that the race will tighten as Election Day nears - Biden 305, Trump 233:

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    Closest blues to being red are NC and PA, in that order.
    Closes reds to going blue, in order, are FL, OH, GA, IA, TX, all of which are on the table if the current numbers hold.
     
    Yeah, I don't think we've seen the October surprise yet. I'm fully expecting something. Hopefully we get a clear, unquestionable outcome so we can move on from 2020, lol.
    The Trump campaign has shown no signs of life essentially since the press began not covering his Covid daily briefings.
    To the extent the campaign has a strategy its execution seems pitiful, although I don't watch much television so maybe I am missing something. The one ad for Trump I have seen is an ad about the protests and it looks purposefully comical - like an SNL skit or something.
    Not sure any October surprise could move much of anything at this point - but we will see.
     
    The Trump campaign has shown no signs of life essentially since the press began not covering his Covid daily briefings.
    To the extent the campaign has a strategy its execution seems pitiful, although I don't watch much television so maybe I am missing something. The one ad for Trump I have seen is an ad about the protests and it looks purposefully comical - like an SNL skit or something.
    Not sure any October surprise could move much of anything at this point - but we will see.
    You are absolutely correct, Trump's election commercials look like bad sketch comedy. I have to remind myself that what I'm watching isn't a joke. You should see the anti Doug Jones commercials in Alabama.
    They are the lowest form of fear mongering I've ever witnessed.
     
    Makes me wonder how much cash the campaign actually has. While doing heavy spending in PA, where Biden is up big, CNN just reported Trump isn't spending anything in Ohio, where Trump and Biden are statistically tied.
     

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