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    This is gaining momentum, pretty fast, it might be good to keep track of this movement.

    This thread is from a thoughtful conservative that I follow on Twitter, and I generally enjoy seeing his takes:




    Its a whole thread, so you will have to click on it to see the rest of his posts. I don’t know how to post the entire thread.
     
    You all can just deny and revise history as much as you want. It doesn’t change anything. Support for Trump is ebbing among almost every group imaginable. White evangelicals, white Catholics, white women with no college.

    There is a sea change occurring, IMO. People can see his inadequate leadership on full display and negatively impacting everyone.

    I’d like to share this uplifting message. The event itself isn’t uplifting, but the young woman’s response is. This is a 51 year old man, unmasked, screaming obscenities in a young girl’s face because he doesn’t agree with what she is saying. And the uplifting part is her response.

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    So that’s my message too. The presidency of Trump has changed everyone. This moment has changed everyone. We can see who he is. What he stands for, how he tries to bully everyone to get his way. We’ve ignored it when it suited us, and maybe some of us have supported the bullying, mistaking it for strength. It’s time to reflect, how has this Trump presidency changed you? What will you do or be from this point going forward?
     
    We can call that picture "profiles in lack of courage." Looks straight out of the '60s. The man has his hands balled into fists screaming at the little black woman. I don't get it.
     
    You all can just deny and revise history as much as you want. It doesn’t change anything. Support for Trump is ebbing among almost every group imaginable. White evangelicals, white Catholics, white women with no college.

    What exactly are we denying and revising? That the examples that were used in this thread we never ever going to be Trumpettes? Look I have no doubt and I mean zero that yes he is losing some support. But I also hate to break this to people but there is also people that are going left to right also.
     
    This thread reminds me of the scene in Talladega Nights when Ricky Bobby names what he believes are great American foods, only to have Jean Girard shoot each one down as soon as poor Ricky names them by telling Ricky the true country of origin.
     
    We can call that picture "profiles in lack of courage." Looks straight out of the '60s. The man has his hands balled into fists screaming at the little black woman. I don't get it.
    People like that guy in the photo have always been and will always be cowards. If people like him don't have a numbers or size advantage or are not holding a weapon, they tend to be the biggest of cowards. If that young lady had been a 6'3" 240 lbs black man, this incident doesn't happen. At least that has been my experience.

    Let me be clear I am not saying you did this. But I am old enough to remember when the left called Romney a racist, misogynist and every other name in the book UNTIL he said he didn't like Trump.

    Question @BobE. Are you saying everyone on the left or some on the left because a statement like that is akin to saying the right are racists. I know not everyone on the right is a racist and therefore I won't say the right are racists.
     
    Question @BobE. Are you saying everyone on the left or some on the left because a statement like that is akin to saying the right are racists. I know not everyone on the right is a racist and therefore I won't say the right are racists.
    Sorry for the delay. Work,sleep,life didn't get a chance to answer. No I don't lump all together. That was just a general statement if you will. I will try to clarify in the future. I appreciate you not lumping all on the right as one. That is something others refuse to do.
     
    Sorry for the delay. Work,sleep,life didn't get a chance to answer. No I don't lump all together. That was just a general statement if you will. I will try to clarify in the future. I appreciate you not lumping all on the right as one. That is something others refuse to do.
    I know and am friends with many people who are conservatives and/or republicans or republicans who support trump. I've known some of these people for more than 15 years. I know that they are not racists or they are not very good at being racist. I'm not going to lump them in with people, who by their actions, are racists.

    We are supposed to be able to disagree without making baseless claims about people we don't agree with. If you have something to say that is based in reality and backed up with facts, I'll listen as I'm sure pretty much every person here will. Neither side has all the answers. They get the answers when they work together. Closing your mind to other people's ideas only dooms you (in the general sense) to your own flaws.

    To your point, yes....there were some people on the left that attacked Romney as racist. They also attacked him as looking out for the wealthy and other talking points. Some of that by his previous actions were true. Nothing that I had seen from Romney points to him being a racist.
     
    Happened across this on Twitter:



    Lots of regular people who admit they were wrong in 2016 and won’t make that mistake again.
     
    maybe I'm skeptical... but I don't see nearly enough people leaving Trump and voting for Biden (or a third party) to make much of a difference

    there's already a push on social media to publicize people who are becoming more right-wing after being left-wing. Moving from Biden voter to Trump voter because of the protests and riots.

    A prominent twitter/blogger right wing figure re-tweeted a Twitter poll of a few hundred people that was meant to highlight this point.

    A twitter poll.
     
    I’m going by the ebbing of support for Trump in regular polls, mostly, as well as the recent spate of military generals willing to publicly break with Trump. White Catholics, white evangelicals, white non-college educated women, seniors over 65, he’s lost significant support in all of these categories.

    He isn’t ever getting suburban white women, nor college educated white women back. And it’s probably safe to say he won’t get any significant minority votes either. It’s hard to build anything with what he has left.
     
    Sorry for the delay. Work,sleep,life didn't get a chance to answer. No I don't lump all together. That was just a general statement if you will. I will try to clarify in the future. I appreciate you not lumping all on the right as one. That is something others refuse to do.

    Yes, people called Romney a racist, but that's not without some measure of evidence.

    He is an ordained LDS minister which up until a few years ago officially discriminated against blacks. I don't recall dates or specifics, but certainly blacks were not equal in the eyes of his church up until probably the 80s so I don't think it's too wild of a stretch to assume a man who is nearly 80 and who has been a member of a racist church his whole life might be racist himself.

    Now, I don't think there's any direct evidence to support him being a racist and if I had to guess knowing what I know of him, it's likely he was one of the LDS elders who fought to end that discrimination, but he's been more than tangentially associated with an overtly racist organization most of his life.
     
    The Rick Wilson attacks on Twitter today seem to indicate that the Lincoln Project ads are getting under the skin of a lot more people than just Trump. With all that is going on, it's hard to say the extent to which, or whether, they've contributed to Trump's polling downturn over the last few weeks. And I don't care to defend Rick Wilson in particular -- his prior tweets indicate that my alignment with him will be limited and short-lived -- but the ads that group has made have been compelling.
     
    The Rick Wilson attacks on Twitter today seem to indicate that the Lincoln Project ads are getting under the skin of a lot more people than just Trump. With all that is going on, it's hard to say the extent to which, or whether, they've contributed to Trump's polling downturn over the last few weeks. And I don't care to defend Rick Wilson in particular -- his prior tweets indicate that my alignment with him will be limited and short-lived -- but the ads that group has made have been compelling.
    Not quite. It's because he retweeted a 12 year old post from Trump's press secretary telling Dominos that their pizza was better than New York pizza.

    Nobody takes a bunch of never trumpers and neocons seriously except people who hate Trump.
     

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