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    The football board had the very useful Daily Trump Tracker thread, which was a good place to briefly discuss the latest ridiculous thing that might have ended 97% of prior Presidential administrations even if it didn't necessarily justify an entire thread devoted to it in 2017-2019 (because of the sheer volume of these things). Since I don't see anything like that here already, I'll add one myself.
     
    I love the logic that is displayed a lot on this board and in the wild. If you disagree with something then you OBVIOUSLY have to want or support the extreme opposite.
    If you questions unnamed intelligence sources in political reports then you have to be against all intelligence services and in fact want them all disbanded.

    If you disagree with a statement that there is a reasonable assumption it was made in error or from information not known at the time then you obviously support lying. Why do you support this person lying to you?

    If you think national borders should be controlled, it is because you OBVIOUSLY hate a certain group of people.

    If you have a different opinion on kids being in drag shows and kids being given hormones blockers then you are obviously a trans phobic.

    Only Sith's deal in absolutes. - Ben Stiller

    Isn’t the reverse true as well?

    Just because someone would like a more humane process at the border doesn’t mean they want an open border, come one come all, free for all
     
    I've never implied he's a Russian agent. I do think he's what's considered a useful idiot. But there is no denying that he takes the word of Putin over his own intelligence agencies. He even stood on a stage with Putin and said he didn't believe they interfered in the 2016 election after it'd been confirmed by 17 agencies that they did.

    I think he is a Russian agent, but not in the same way most people who say that claim it. I am not saying that Russia is telling him what to do and he is doing it. Putin is simply way smarter and better at this game than Trump. He knows how to butter Trump up, and tell him what he wants to hear, and Trump thinks that Putin is his friend. He ends up giving Russia better treatment than he should because he believes that Putin is on his side, and everyone here who doesn't agree with everything he said is an enemy.

    So, he is doing things that benefit Putin, and he probably doesn't even realize he's being used.
     
    I love the logic that is displayed a lot on this board and in the wild. If you disagree with something then you OBVIOUSLY have to want or support the extreme opposite.
    I'm not sure if this is you having a self-reflecting epiphany, or a full-blown case of denial spin.
     
    I do think the answers about idiot or agent could be easily answered with his tax returns.

    Deutsche Bank gave him insane amounts of money and he defaulted then they did it again. This was during a time he could not finance a stick of gum with any other bank in the world because of the multiple failures in the casino game. Oh and Deutsche Bank is the Russian money laundering king like twenty billion worth.

    The taxes will be public eventually we will all see just how much an agent he was because we all know if you don't know about pearl harbor you are an idiot.
     
    I'm not sure if this is you having a self-reflecting epiphany, or a full-blown case of denial spin.
    I hear you. I often see left meme online that are suppose to be poking fun of conservatives and actually think they apply against the left more than the right. But to answer your question, it was neither. I see far more of the one extreme or the other option on the left.

    Isn’t the reverse true as well?

    Just because someone would like a more humane process at the border doesn’t mean they want an open border, come one come all, free for all

    I don't think you will find one conservative that is for in-humane treatment at the border. But I do see your point and it is well taken.
    It is like both side see only the extreme. Either you want open boarders or you hate all immigrates. That is probably the main problem in discussing something like this. The politicians and the media have enable this idea for clicks, views, votes.
     
    I hear you. I often see left meme online that are suppose to be poking fun of conservatives and actually think they apply against the left more than the right. But to answer your question, it was neither. I see far more of the one extreme or the other option on the left.
    If your latter statement is true for you, then the latter statement of mine is true.
     
    I love the logic that is displayed a lot on this board and in the wild. If you disagree with something then you OBVIOUSLY have to want or support the extreme opposite.
    If you questions unnamed intelligence sources in political reports then you have to be against all intelligence services and in fact want them all disbanded.

    If you disagree with a statement that there is a reasonable assumption it was made in error or from information not known at the time then you obviously support lying. Why do you support this person lying to you?

    If you think national borders should be controlled, it is because you OBVIOUSLY hate a certain group of people.

    If you have a different opinion on kids being in drag shows and kids being given hormones blockers then you are obviously a trans phobic.

    Only Sith's deal in absolutes. - Ben Stiller
    Y’all are free to give substantiated counters to each of these
    It’s not the other side’s fault that you can’t/won’t
     
    I do think the answers about idiot or agent could be easily answered with his tax returns.

    Deutsche Bank gave him insane amounts of money and he defaulted then they did it again. This was during a time he could not finance a stick of gum with any other bank in the world because of the multiple failures in the casino game. Oh and Deutsche Bank is the Russian money laundering king like twenty billion worth.

    The taxes will be public eventually we will all see just how much an agent he was because we all know if you don't know about pearl harbor you are an idiot.
    Was just listening to the recent Fresh Air that covered Deutsches Bank - YIKES
    That SCOTUS ruling will be interesting
     
    Not about trump but since all the pardon discussion was in this thread
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    On his third full day of freedom after serving eight years in prison for corruption, an unrepentant Rod R. Blagojevich appeared on CNN to argue that he never should have been charged.
He was a “political prisoner” not too different from Nelson Mandela, he said.

    “Corrupt” prosecutors had abused their powers. His crimes weren’t crimes at all. They were just “routine practices.”
Host Anderson Cooper grew increasingly agitated as the disgraced former Democratic governor of Illinois continued to paint himself as the victim.

    At the end of an acrimonious 12-minute interview Friday night, his frustration boiled over.
“You got out. You do have an obligation to at least admit what you did wrong,” Cooper told Blagojevich. “And you refused to do that, and you’re creating a whole new alternate universe of facts.".........


     
    I hear you. I often see left meme online that are suppose to be poking fun of conservatives and actually think they apply against the left more than the right. But to answer your question, it was neither. I see far more of the one extreme or the other option on the left.



    I don't think you will find one conservative that is for in-humane treatment at the border. But I do see your point and it is well taken.
    It is like both side see only the extreme. Either you want open boarders or you hate all immigrates. That is probably the main problem in discussing something like this. The politicians and the media have enable this idea for clicks, views, votes.

    in this very thread, JimE has posted several times that people believe Trump is a Russian “agent” but people really aren’t saying that. If we simply acknowledge the deference Trump shows to Putin, the willingness to believe what Putin says over his own intelligence agencies, his reluctance to impose sanctions, his campaign reaching out to attempt to coordinate with Wikileaks, welcoming the help they received from Russia, etc. we get accused of thinking Trump’s a Russian agent.

    Trump is a master at lying about what Democrats stand for, and what they have said and done. We see it almost every time he speaks. It’s rubbing off on the people who support him, I’ve certainly noticed it a lot more recently. Republicans in Congress who I used to think were fairly reasonable have been spouting some of Trump’s conspiracy crap lately.

    And you will certainly find Trump supporters/aides who are for inhumane treatment at the border. That was the point of the family separation policy, courtesy of Stephen Miller and Jeff Sessions. The cruelty was the point, it was supposed to act as a deterrent.
     
    I love the logic that is displayed a lot on this board and in the wild. If you disagree with something then you OBVIOUSLY have to want or support the extreme opposite.
    If you questions unnamed intelligence sources in political reports then you have to be against all intelligence services and in fact want them all disbanded.

    If you disagree with a statement that there is a reasonable assumption it was made in error or from information not known at the time then you obviously support lying. Why do you support this person lying to you?

    If you think national just borders should be controlled, it is because you OBVIOUSLY hate a certain group of people.

    If you have a different opinion on kids being in drag shows and kids being given hormones blockers then you are obviously a trans phobic.

    Only Sith's deal in absolutes. - Ben Stiller
    This is straight clown shoes crap just to deflect from the fact that you support Trump and his ideas and policies hook and sinker. You have never voiced an opinion that goes against whatever he's trying to do. An entire post of whataboutism just shows that you are Team Trump regardless of what horrible, dangerous and straight up inhumane idea or policy he proposes.

    I never thought there would be a day that there would be such an enormous amount of people who'd support ideas and policies that go against everything it means to be American.

    Since Trump has been elected, we've gone from being the gold standard of what democracy should look like to being an aspiring kleptocracy that would rather become allies with nations like North Korea and Russia over our allies that have supported us (and vice versa) on the international front for 3/4 of a century and more.

    But, hey, MAGA and KAG! While we're totally isolated from the rest of the free world to do so. You Trump supporters are going to be remembered in the history books as the ones who supported tearing down everything we, as a country, have built over the past two + centuries.
     


    1000 point drop in the stock market looks good?
     


    1000 point drop in the stock market looks good?


    He really needs to find his Baghdad Bob. He shouldn’t have to do it himself.

    It not very reassuring with regard to the coronavirus given what happened to the stock market.

    I’m sure it will be up tomorrow. Plenty of people made ton of money today, just not regular people.
     
    in this very thread, JimE has posted several times that people believe Trump is a Russian “agent” but people really aren’t saying that. If we simply acknowledge the deference Trump shows to Putin, the willingness to believe what Putin says over his own intelligence agencies, his reluctance to impose sanctions, his campaign reaching out to attempt to coordinate with Wikileaks, welcoming the help they received from Russia, etc. we get accused of thinking Trump’s a Russian agent.

    Trump is a master at lying about what Democrats stand for, and what they have said and done. We see it almost every time he speaks. It’s rubbing off on the people who support him, I’ve certainly noticed it a lot more recently. Republicans in Congress who I used to think were fairly reasonable have been spouting some of Trump’s conspiracy crap lately.

    And you will certainly find Trump supporters/aides who are for inhumane treatment at the border. That was the point of the family separation policy, courtesy of Stephen Miller and Jeff Sessions. The cruelty was the point, it was supposed to act as a deterrent.
    You need to pay more attention.
    Do you really believe no one has claimed Trump is a Russian agent?

    U.S. House Member Maxine Waters has said it
    U.S. House Member Eric Swalwell has said it
    Andrew McCabe has said it.
    Rachel Maddow has said it

    That is off the top of my head - no doubt that I could find many more.
     
    You need to pay more attention.
    Do you really believe no one has claimed Trump is a Russian agent?

    U.S. House Member Maxine Waters has said it
    U.S. House Member Eric Swalwell has said it
    Andrew McCabe has said it.
    Rachel Maddow has said it

    That is off the top of my head - no doubt that I could find many more.
    We were told that for 3 years and now they want to backtrack after their conspiracy theory was discredited. Thanks to the Democrats and their complaint media they now see Russia everywhere like Putin is some omniscient genius. It's a new age Mccarthyism.
     
    You need to pay more attention.
    Do you really believe no one has claimed Trump is a Russian agent?

    U.S. House Member Maxine Waters has said it
    U.S. House Member Eric Swalwell has said it
    Andrew McCabe has said it.
    Rachel Maddow has said it

    That is off the top of my head - no doubt that I could find many more.

    I was talking about this thread, actually. it seems we get chided about it in every single thread.

    But I would be surprised if what they said wasn’t just speculation, and clearly indicated as such. Given the activities of the Trump campaign, all the contacts, all the lies, it wasn’t out of the realm.

    And some day we will find out just how much money actually is flowing from Russian oligarchs to Trump’s pockets. I still don’t think Trump does anything in his official capacity because he thinks it’s what’s best for the country.

    be honest, do you think he willingly does anything in his official capacity that doesn’t benefit him personally?
     
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