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    Attorney General Merrick Garland has assigned the U.S. attorney in Chicago to review documents marked classified that were found at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in Washington, two sources with knowledge of the inquiry told CBS News. The roughly 10 documents are from President Biden's vice-presidential office at the center, the sources said. CBS News has learned the FBI is also involved in the U.S. attorney's inquiry.

    The material was identified by personal attorneys for Mr. Biden on Nov. 2, just before the midterm elections, Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president confirmed. The documents were discovered when Mr. Biden's personal attorneys "were packing files housed in a locked closet to prepare to vacate office space at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C.," Sauber said in a statement to CBS News. The documents were contained in a folder that was in a box with other unclassified papers, the sources said. The sources revealed neither what the documents contain nor their level of classification. A source familiar with the matter told CBS News the documents did not contain nuclear secrets.


    ...The White House statement said that it “is cooperating” with the department but did not explain why Mr. Biden’s team waited more than two months to announce the discovery of the documents, which came a week before the midterm congressional elections when the news would have been an explosive last-minute development.

    It also came shortly before Mr. Garland’s Nov. 18 appointment of Jack Smith as a special counsel to take over the criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s failure to return a large number of classified documents that were sent to his Florida residence and club, Mar-a-Lago, when he left office — even after being subpoenaed.


    A government watchdog is demanding the US attorney probing Hunter Biden in Delaware investigate tens of millions in anonymous donations from China to the University of Pennsylvania, where an academic center is named for his father, President Biden.

    The Ivy League college raked in a total of $54.6 million from 2014 through June 2019 in donations from China, including $23.1 million in anonymous gifts starting in 2016, according to public records.

    Most of the anonymous donations came after the university announced in February 2017 that it would create the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. Joe Biden, whose term as vice president had just ended, was to lead the center and was also named a professor at the university.

    The center, which is located in Washington, DC, opened its doors in February 2018. Antony Blinken, whom Biden named as secretary of state, briefly served as its managing director.

    The Ivy League university received $15.8 million in anonymous Chinese gifts that year, including one eye-popping $14.5 million donation in May 2018, records show.

     
    I'm guessing that there a lot of past and present government officials, that if the scrutiny was turned up as brightly as it is for Biden right now, would be in the same positions. Especially with hand written notes that are "classified". The thing that makes Trump's situation very different is that NARA knew he had presidential records and classified documents and he continuously refused to return them. Had he returned them in full when asked, nobody would have never even known or cared. And nobody would know or care about Biden's returned documents.

    I'm also wondering that if the documents Biden had weren't even missed, how important could they have been? Why was nobody asking for them before they were voluntarily turned over years later? It doesn't seem like the procedure for keeping track of classified document is very thorough.
     
    I'm guessing that there a lot of past and present government officials, that if the scrutiny was turned up as brightly as it is for Biden right now, would be in the same positions. Especially with hand written notes that are "classified". The thing that makes Trump's situation very different is that NARA knew he had presidential records and classified documents and he continuously refused to return them. Had he returned them in full when asked, nobody would have never even known or cared. And nobody would know or care about Biden's returned documents.

    I'm also wondering that if the documents Biden had weren't even missed, how important could they have been? Why was nobody asking for them before they were voluntarily turned over years later? It doesn't seem like the procedure for keeping track of classified document is very thorough.
    Most classified documents are only there for reference, so it’s easy to understand why they wouldn’t be missed. Also, when I can’t find one, I don’t think they’ve been taken. I usually go about trying to find someone that has a copy, since most are usually copied.

    I get inadvertently having classified documents for a high official that probably has classified documents at all times, but the problem that Biden has now is this looks like terrible management from him. Once the other classified documents were found, he should’ve had all of his premises searched to be sure that all were found. While Trump’s intransigence is still far worse from a criminal standpoint, Biden is looking incompetent. This will hurt Biden’s chances at getting re-elected, so it makes it much more likely that he won’t even get the Democratic nomination.
     
    Republican Rep. Mike Turner, who suggested that former President Donald Trump may have taken classified documents for the purpose of writing a memoir, had harsher words for President Joe Biden.

    Department of Justice investigators said Friday that they found more than half-a-dozen documents, some of which were classified, during their search of Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home, The New York Times reported. Some documents dated from his time as a senator and others from his time as vice president.

    "Apparently, he's become a serial classified document hoarder," Turner said of Biden Sunday morning on "Face the Nation" on CBS News. "Why did he have these? Who did he show them to? I mean the only reason you can think of as to why anyone would take classified documents out of a classified space and home is to show them to somebody."

    Turner, the lead Republican and likely future chair of the House Intelligence Committee, also questioned whether the recovered documents were "connected to the Biden family business." ..............



     
    Most classified documents are only there for reference, so it’s easy to understand why they wouldn’t be missed. Also, when I can’t find one, I don’t think they’ve been taken. I usually go about trying to find someone that has a copy, since most are usually copied.

    I get inadvertently having classified documents for a high official that probably has classified documents at all times, but the problem that Biden has now is this looks like terrible management from him. Once the other classified documents were found, he should’ve had all of his premises searched to be sure that all were found. While Trump’s intransigence is still far worse from a criminal standpoint, Biden is looking incompetent. This will hurt Biden’s chances at getting re-elected, so it makes it much more likely that he won’t even get the Democratic nomination.

    I guess. This is just such a big "meh" for me. If I remember correctly, Biden did direct his lawyers and staff to search all of his premises for old classified documents. I'm not really going to put it on Biden that they didn't find all of them. It's also no surprise that the FBI search would turn up more.

    I suppose everybody is reading this as a huge scandal, but I'm still finding it really hard to care much.
     
    I guess. This is just such a big "meh" for me. If I remember correctly, Biden did direct his lawyers and staff to search all of his premises for old classified documents. I'm not really going to put it on Biden that they didn't find all of them. It's also no surprise that the FBI search would turn up more.

    I suppose everybody is reading this as a huge scandal, but I'm still finding it really hard to care much.
    I don't think it is a scandal at all, but it looks very bad for Biden. It would be a scandal if he blocked search warrants and refused to return documents, but this just seems incompetent. It's fine that he directed his lawyers and staff to search his premises, but they apparently weren't thorough enough. Under the circumstances, I would've hired professionals, not lawyers and staff to scour the premises. After a thorough and competent search, the FBI shouldn't have found anything else. Seeing such incompetence doesn't lend itself to confidence. Unfortunately, adding that to the growing questions about his involvement with his shady family, and his age, and he's looking more and more like a 1 term president. He has been a successful president, and was the right man for the job at the time, but you have to know when to walk away. He is likely to be less and less effective going forward. All of these building hits on Biden will probably only accelerate the need for other Democrats to challenge him. I like Biden, but it'll be better for the country and for Democrats to nominate another centrist candidate.
     
    I don't think it is a scandal at all, but it looks very bad for Biden. It would be a scandal if he blocked search warrants and refused to return documents, but this just seems incompetent. It's fine that he directed his lawyers and staff to search his premises, but they apparently weren't thorough enough. Under the circumstances, I would've hired professionals, not lawyers and staff to scour the premises. After a thorough and competent search, the FBI shouldn't have found anything else. Seeing such incompetence doesn't lend itself to confidence. Unfortunately, adding that to the growing questions about his involvement with his shady family, and his age, and he's looking more and more like a 1 term president. He has been a successful president, and was the right man for the job at the time, but you have to know when to walk away. He is likely to be less and less effective going forward. All of these building hits on Biden will probably only accelerate the need for other Democrats to challenge him. I like Biden, but it'll be better for the country and for Democrats to nominate another centrist candidate.

    That's honestly reading a lot into one document drama, but I suppose that's possible. It doesn't really change anything about how I view Biden and won't effect my vote one bit. But to each their own.
     
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    That's honestly reading a lot in to one document drama, but I suppose that's possible. It doesn't really change anything about how I view Biden and won't effect my vote one bit. But to each their own.

    Same here, to me it's pretty straightforward:

    One guy lied, denied, obstructed and continues to play victim after an involuntary search revealed he did in fact have multiple classified/sensitive documents.....

    The other guy, while he shouldn't have classified docs, likely didn't realize that he did and is cooperating fully with the authorities.....
     
    Same here, to me it's pretty straightforward:

    One guy lied, denied, obstructed and continues to play victim after an involuntary search revealed he did in fact have multiple classified/sensitive documents.....

    The other guy, while he shouldn't have classified docs, likely didn't realize that he did and is cooperating fully with the authorities.....

    I just don't play the both sides game anymore, not after Trump and the current group of Republican's. It would take an actual scandal or serious malfeasance on the part of Biden or Democrats for me to lose faith in them given the alternative. This, much like the Hunter Biden laptop story, doesn't even come close.
     
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    Same here, to me it's pretty straightforward:

    One guy lied, denied, obstructed and continues to play victim after an involuntary search revealed he did in fact have multiple classified/sensitive documents.....

    The other guy, while he shouldn't have classified docs, likely didn't realize that he did and is cooperating fully with the authorities.....
    It’s usually not the crime….it’s the coverup
     
    Didn’t somebody voice the Fox conspiracy theory that the DNC is planting the documents? Lol. Here’s how that got started - it’s just nonsense, of course.

     
    I figured as much. There is still only one person who willfully took documents and refused to return them even after a subpoena:

     
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    I figured as much. There is still only one person who willfully took documents and refused to return them even after a subpoena:


    I think Pence and Biden's actions are about equivalent -- they had docs in their possession, but they weren't aware they still had them, no one was really looking for them over multiple years (over two for Pence, over six for Biden), and once the material was discovered they both cooperated in turning them over, even voluntarily allowing searches to take place. No ill intent, but both have highlighted that perhaps they need to review policies and procedures for distribution and handling of classified materials.

    In Trump's case, his team knew he had the materials, they were informed that they needed to be returned, they resisted, refused, and lied about what he was still in possession of to the point that a search had to be ordered. Apples to oranges.

     
    I think Pence and Biden's actions are about equivalent -- they had docs in their possession, but they weren't aware they still had them, no one was really looking for them over multiple years (over two for Pence, over six for Biden), and once the material was discovered they both cooperated in turning them over, even voluntarily allowing searches to take place. No ill intent, but both have highlighted that perhaps they need to review policies and procedures for distribution and handling of classified materials.

    In Trump's case, his team knew he had the materials, they were informed that they needed to be returned, they resisted, refused, and lied about what he was still in possession of to the point that a search had to be ordered. Apples to oranges.

    that and the sheer volume of docs that Trump had
     
    I figured as much. There is still only one person who willfully took documents and refused to return them even after a subpoena:



    Just as I had assumed. Biden and Pence aren't alone either.

    I'm guessing that there a lot of past and present government officials, that if the scrutiny was turned up as brightly as it is for Biden right now, would be in the same positions. Especially with hand written notes that are "classified".
     
    I figured as much. There is still only one person who willfully took documents and refused to return them even after a subpoena:



    Good news for Biden and good news for the investigation of Trump imo because now you have this high level Republican who's cooperating similarly to Biden and it helps to demonstrate the differences between the Biden/Pence situations and what occurred with Trump.
     
    Didn’t somebody voice the Fox conspiracy theory that the DNC is planting the documents? Lol. Here’s how that got started - it’s just nonsense, of course.


    It's an easy conspiracy theory to form. Both sides have motive. Republicans have motive because Biden has been effective, and he would beat Trump again. Republicans have a motive to hurt Biden, but the opposing party always has this motive.

    Democrats have motive, because they want to refresh the party, which is why their congressional leadership was shaken up with much younger leadership. Also, Democrats may be concerned that they will have to face a young and handsome DeSantis, which can probably beat Biden. Democrats don't want to run Biden off, but they know they need someone young and appealing to beat DeSantis or some other young and brash Republican. If Democrats could guarantee a run against Trump, they might settle for Biden due to loyalty, since age wouldn't be a differentiator giving either a clear advantage. Since they can't guarantee Trump, Democrats have a motive.

    A strong motive for the Republicans is the perfection of the crime relative to helping Trump. The possession and obstruction of the documents by Trump was the most clear cut crime that Trump had committed. This mess with Biden has blurred the difference between Trump and Biden. Even though Biden has been cooperative, now there is the nature of the length of time that he has possessed the documents relative to Trump. Trump's actions still may be worse, but it's no longer a slam dunk. If Biden has had some secret documents in his possession for over 12 years going back to his time as senator, then it may be worse if it is discovered that Biden knew he had them. Also, the hypocrisy would be terrible if Biden knew, yet chastised and patronized Trump for his behavior.

    So the conspiracy theories are at least backed by motives, but I'm sure the FBI isn't involved, so the risk of being discovered is too great. Also, it's highly unlikely, since it would require cooperation from the archives and other holders of documents that could reasonably be associated with Biden. To get ahold of the secret documents would require a far-fetched conspiracy to steal them and then plant them in places with lots of secret service and other security. It is very far fetched.

    I think Biden is already worn down, and he'll be totally worn out by the time he finishes his term. Biden isn't admitting to this today, since it will impact his effectiveness, but he probably doesn't want to run again. Hopefully he doesn't get to the point that he also faces criminal charges and needs to stay in office to protect himself. That would be ironic and awful.
    I figured as much. There is still only one person who willfully took documents and refused to return them even after a subpoena:


    Pence better have all areas that could have documents searched professionally, lest the FBI conduct a search to find them later. If he doesn't, it'll also reflect badly on him.
     
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    Here is the whole thing summed up in a 90 second clip.

    Biden is a criminal, and the FBI should search his properties and Hunters home. Mike Pences situation is nothing.

     

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