Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (3 Viewers)

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    I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

    Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

    Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.


     
    Article on the origins of "Stop the Steal"
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    ADDISON, Tex. — Key elements of the baseless claim that the 2020 election was stolen from President Donald Trump took shape in an airplane hangar here two years earlier, promoted by a Republican businessman who has sold everything from Tex-Mex food in London to a wellness technology that beams light into the human bloodstream.

    At meetings beginning late in 2018, as Republicans were smarting from midterm losses in Texas and across the country, Russell J. Ramsland Jr. and his associates delivered alarming presentations on electronic voting to a procession of conservative lawmakers, activists and donors.

    Briefings in the hangar had a clandestine air. Guests were asked to leave their cellphones outside before assembling in a windowless room. A member of Ramsland’s team purporting to be a “white-hat hacker” identified himself only by a code name.

    Ramsland, a failed congressional candidate with a Harvard MBA, pitched a claim that seemed rooted in evidence: Voting-machine audit logs — lines of codes and time stamps that document the machines’ activities — contained indications of vote manipulation. In the retrofitted hangar that served as his company’s offices at the edge of a municipal airstrip outside Dallas, Ramsland attempted to persuade failed Republican candidates to challenge their election results and force the release of additional data that might prove manipulation.

    “We had to find the right candidate,” said Laura Pressley, a former Ramsland ally whose own claim that audit logs showed fraud had been rejected in court two years earlier. “We had to find one who knew they won.”

    He made the pitch to Don Huffines, a state senator in Texas. Huffines declined.

    He tried to persuade U.S. Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Tex.). Sessions declined.

    No candidate agreed to bring a challenge, and the idea of widespread vote manipulation remained on the political fringe — until 2020, when Ramsland’s assertions were seized upon by influential allies of Trump. The president himself accelerated the spread of those claims into the GOP mainstream as he latched onto an array of baseless ideas to explain his loss in November.

    The enduring myth that the 2020 election was rigged was not one claim by one person. It was many claims stacked one atop the other, repeated by a phalanx of Trump allies. This is the previously unreported origin story of a core set of those claims, ideas that were advanced not by renowned experts or by insiders who had knowledge of flawed voting systems but by Ramsland and fellow conservative activists as they pushed a fledgling company, Allied Security Operations Group, into a quixotic attempt to find evidence of widespread fraud where none existed................

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Wasn't sure what thread to put this in

    Interesting article on far right people of color
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    .......People of color are a tiny fraction of that world, but analysts say they play an outsized role in challenging perceptions. The common refrain that white supremacy is a main driver of the far right is complicated when Black or Brown figures speak publicly for Stop the Steal, the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer and other factions that are under scrutiny. The trend is forcing new ways to think about, and talk about, the far right’s appeal.........

    The mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 was overwhelmingly White, but the official speaker lineup for the rally that day was more diverse.
    Vernon Jones, a Black former Georgia state lawmaker, and Katrina Pierson, a Black adviser and former spokeswoman for the Trump campaign, were among the speakers parroting the baseless assertion that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump. Another familiar face was main rally organizer Ali Alexander, born in Texas as Ali Abdul-Razaq Akbar, of mixed Black American and Middle Eastern descent.

    Despite a murky past that includes felony convictions, Alexander became a darling of the right-wing pundit class, with ties to a laundry list of far-right extremists and to just as many MAGA Republican figures. Alexander’s rise, in large part, is linked to his willingness to use race as a political weapon.

    Alexander promoted the “birther” campaign against Obama, tweeting that he is an “African man (he is not Black!).” Years later, Alexander similarly targeted then-candidate Kamala D. Harris, whose father is Jamaican, by calling her “not an American Black.” He added that he was “so sick of people robbing American Blacks (like myself) of our history. It’s disgusting.”

    Today, the 35-year-old Alexander is reportedly in hiding after facing blowback for his role as an organizer on Jan. 6; federal authorities are investigating possible connections between Alexander and the Capitol rioters. Still, he has managed to keep churning out videos, seeking money and vowing revenge.

    “I’ve been licking my wounds, but I’ve been plotting. I’ve been planning. I’ve been scheming,” Alexander said in February in a video on Trovo, a gaming platform he turned to after being kicked off other sites. “Because we have to do away with this whole system.” He did not respond to The Washington Post’s attempts to reach him for comment.

    Alexander is part of a cohort of ultraconservative people of color who are fixtures on right-wing lecture circuits and podcasts that trade in racist or bigoted stereotypes.

    Filipino American pundit Michelle Malkin, for example, has defended the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, supported the post-9/11 racial profiling of Arabs and Muslims, and promoted anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about George Soros. After Malkin publicly praised white nationalists and the Proud Boys, she was dropped by the speakers bureau of the Young America’s Foundation, a conservative youth group. The foundation tweeted, “There is no room in mainstream conservatism or at YAF for holocaust deniers, white nationalists, street brawlers, or racists.”

    Malkin did not respond to requests for comment.

    “Part of their standing on the White right is that they’re constantly willing to attack other people of color and say anti-Black things in ways that kind of ingratiate them to White conservatives,” said Martinez HoSang, the professor. “Whereas there’s another group of conservatives of color that refuses to do that, sees it as racist and wants to build a conservatism that isn’t predicated on those racist assumptions.”...............

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    Candace Owens is the poster girl for these morons...
     
    MT15 said:
    Interesting article where a trio of auditors who actually know how to do election audits have analyzed votes from Maricopa County and found that there were a lot of Republicans who split their ballot.

    www.washingtonexaminer.com

    Arizona election analysis finds GOP voters disenchanted with Trump helped Biden win

    An unofficial bipartisan election analysis conducted respectively to the Senate-led recount of 2.1 million ballots in Arizona's Maricopa County concluded that Republicans disenchanted with then-President Donald Trump were responsible for his loss in the 2020 election.
    www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com
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    Yet the die hard stop the steal clowns will yell that this is fake news and more deep state tomfoolery no matter how much factual evidence is staring them in the face...
     
    nolaspe said:
    Candace Owens is the poster girl for these morons...
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    I mean, does it really come as a surprise that a very small percentage of millions upon millions of people can become brainwashed?

    I submit my old friend (his parents were Honduran immigrants) that I grew up with who had a huge heart when I knew him. Made a series of bad decisions that led him to the "born again" route that led to him being a Q supporter that has weaponized his Christian faith and is now full of hate....
     
    MT15 said:
    Interesting article where a trio of auditors who actually know how to do election audits have analyzed votes from Maricopa County and found that there were a lot of Republicans who split their ballot.

    www.washingtonexaminer.com

    Arizona election analysis finds GOP voters disenchanted with Trump helped Biden win

    An unofficial bipartisan election analysis conducted respectively to the Senate-led recount of 2.1 million ballots in Arizona's Maricopa County concluded that Republicans disenchanted with then-President Donald Trump were responsible for his loss in the 2020 election.
    www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com
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    I could have saved them time and money and told them that just after the election.
     
    That’s disgusting. Every time I think they’ve gone as low as they can, they go lower.
     
    Paul said:
    Would it be racist to expect all POC to think alike because the skin is darker?
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    That's not the issue with folks like Candace Owens, and based on your posts I know you're more than smart enough to understand that.

    The issue is you have a woman that is using her blackness to profit by creating comfort for racism deniers. There's a long history of leveraging a tiny minority of people of color to invalidate the issues the overwhelming majority feel. It dates back to slavery. Plantation owners would invite abolitionists to dinner and have them served by house slaves. At some point during dinner, they'd ask a particularly loyal house slave if he felt slavery was wrong. Of course, the house slave would profess his love for his master and that he was very well cared for and wouldn't ever want to leave. It was much better than the message they would have received seeing the living conditions of the field slaves. In return for this service, the house slave was often given some extra scraps from the master's table, as long as he ate them outside of course. There's an article that was written by a former abolitionist explaining that his entire view of slavery changed after one of those dinners because if the house slave was so happy and well treated how could the institution be bad?

    The problem isn't honest disagreement, it's perpetuating false narratives and misinformation under the guise of "I'm black" in order to get a few extra scraps from the table. It's the content, ignorance, and goal of her disagreement that makes her repugnant, not the disagreement itself.
     
    Paul said:
    Would it be racist to expect all POC to think alike because the skin is darker?
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    posted this in another thread

    Optimus Prime said:
    I don't have a problem with disagreeing. I don't have a problem with black conservatives. I don't have a problem with conservatives

    I do have a problem with extreme partisan nutjobs

    Now I don't watch Fox so this may be wrong but it sure seems that the black talking heads on Fox are mostly there to talk about racial issues. Are any offering their view on the G7 conference right now? (again they may be)

    But it doesn't feel like that's the viewpoint of theirs Fox is looking for

    They're looking for the "We don't need CRT, students are forced to learn too much black history as it is" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "Maybe George Floyd deserved was he got" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "There is no police brutality" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "All these voter laws make it easier for black people to vote" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "I wish black people would stop whining about racism" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "There's no such thing as racism, structural, institutional or otherwise" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "IF racism exists, it's against white people" viewpoint

    They're looking for the in 2008 "Why would having a black president be a big deal?" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "Why do we have a Martin Luther King Day?" viewpoint

    And when these viewpoints are offered on air the clips are later and gleefully posted, retweeted, shared all over the internet (including a certain NFL team political spin off board) as a real AHA! moment, "You see! YOU SEE!!!! Look at what this ONE black person says! How can racism be real when this ONE black person says it isn't. I win!"
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    Optimus Prime said:
    posted this in another thread
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    Great points. I do not disagree. Quite often POC are used as props. No argument from me.

    My wife and I often watch TV drama shows where all the main characters have Nordic looks. The only exception are when they go to a psychologist, physician, judge, lawyer, etc. These characters appear in the show for 20 seconds and are almost always POCs.

    However, the question remains the same. Are POCs expected to have the same uniform political viewpoint?

    McWhorter has a different take. I do not think he is a conservative.
     

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