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[Farb]

For all the things related to the Biden/Harris Administration and their latest hits and misses

https://www.dailywire.com/news/whit...gedly-sexually-harassing-threatening-reporter

Interesting story, looks like 'only the best people' didn't stop with the new administration.

 

[Taurus]

The "this" is the Democrats open border policy. There's a difference between being treated humanely and the open borders policies of many Democrats.

If there really were an open border policy, we wouldn't be seeing this "crisis" because they'd just be walking on in and joining whatever family sent for them. Nobody would know they were here.
We have a "crisis" because they're being stopped (and now we have to deal with them). Because the border is NOT open. QED

 

[Saint by the Bay]

If there really were an open border policy, we wouldn't be seeing this "crisis" because they'd just be walking on in and joining whatever family sent for them. Nobody would know they were here.
We have a "crisis" because they're being stopped (and now we have to deal with them). Because the border is NOT open. QED

I would add that Obama set a record for deporting people, and Biden is literally following the exact same policy. That's the opposite of open. The problem is our system for processing the people we catch or surrender coming across the not open border is insanely slow. What we need is to reform the process to move faster, which won't happen because, government.

 

[SaintForLife]

I'm amazed at the low information conservatives on this board use to form an opinion. Obama deported more illegals then Trump. There is some nuance in the argument of Trump had less deportations then Obama because they were stopped at the border, etc. Still, the fact more illegals got deported under Obama then Trump is something that was talked about everywhere but the conservative bubbles. No one would describe Obama's immigration policy as "open border".

I'll give a hot take. This issue is nothing, and it means nothing. This is typical right wing dribble that they repeated enough for mainstream media to pickup. We are talking about 15,000 kids sent alone to the border. The "jesus party" trying to score political points over showing a sliver of empathy for CHILDREN is disgusting.

At one of the Democratic Presidential debates everyone on the stage said they wouldn't deport any illegal immigrants who hadn't committed any additional crimes and they would give them all healthcare too. Some of the candidates and current democrats want to decriminalize illegal border crossings as well as abolish ICE.

I don't remember Biden or any of the other candidates talking about what to do with the flood of people coming here, how to determine if all the asylum seekers are legitimate, if there should be a limit on how many people can come here, and are there enough jobs and how more immigrants can depress wages and hurt the American workers.



This guy said Biden is giving them 100 days to get into the US.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Condition their citizenship on domiciling in Texas and registering as Democrats and we have a solution!

 

[cuddlemonkey]

At one of the Democratic Presidential debates everyone on the stage said they wouldn't deport any illegal immigrants who hadn't committed any additional crimes and they would give them all healthcare too. Some of the candidates and current democrats want to decriminalize illegal border crossings as well as abolish ICE.

I don't remember Biden or any of the other candidates talking about what to do with the flood of people coming here, how to determine if all the asylum seekers are legitimate, if there should be a limit on how many people can come here, and are there enough jobs and how more immigrants can depress wages and hurt the American workers.



This guy said Biden is giving them 100 days to get into the US.

It's already been pointed out to you once, but that clip of Biden is not him calling for a "migrant surge". He specifically says that asylum seekers and people feeling oppression should come here. You acknowledge that there is a massive difference between migrants and asylum seekers, right?

 

[bdb13]

It's already been pointed out to you once, but that clip of Biden is not him calling for a "migrant surge". He specifically says that asylum seekers and people feeling oppression should come here. You acknowledge that there is a massive difference between migrants and asylum seekers, right?

I haven't looked into it... but what prevents every migrant from claiming they're seeking asylum? What reason do they have to not give that avenue a shot? How do we then quickly differentiate between the the real cases and the false claims in a manner that does not bog down the system?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I haven't looked into it... but what prevents every migrant from claiming they're seeking asylum? What reason do they have to not give that avenue a shot? How do we then quickly differentiate between the the real cases and the false claims in a manner that does not bog down the system?

Stop consistently underfunding the Immigration Court. The backlog is over 1,000,000 cases right now. Give them the money, judges, and resources needed to begin processing these cases in a reasonable amount of time.

Then, anyone found ineligible for asylum should be presented with other options to stay in the country.

 

[SaintForLife]

It's already been pointed out to you once, but that clip of Biden is not him calling for a "migrant surge". He specifically says that asylum seekers and people feeling oppression should come here. You acknowledge that there is a massive difference between migrants and asylum seekers, right?

Are you aware how easy it is to abuse the US asylum system? Anyone can make an asylum claim and appeal in the US after rejection and then eventually stop showing up. The authorities are unlikely to find them and if they do they unlikely to send them home.

The reality of 2019 is that the asylum system has evolved into a cheater’s backdoor, a pseudo-legal path to immigration not otherwise available to economic migrants. They lack either the skills for working visas or the ties to qualify for legal immigration under America’s family reunification system. So they walk to the border and ask for asylum, taking advantage of previous administrations’ look-the-other-way “solution” to their ever-growing numbers. Affirmative asylum claims, made at ports of entry, have jumped 35 percent over the last two years, even as refusal rates for those cases along the Southern border have run into the 80th percentile.

It works—for them. A Honduran on the border who says he came to work is sent back almost immediately. However, should he make a claim to asylum, the U.S. is obligated to adjudicate his case. Since detaining asylum seekers and their families while the processes play out is expensive and politically distasteful (kids in cages!), until recently most asylum seekers were instead released into American society to wait out their cases. They then became eligible for work authorization if their cases extended past 150 days, as almost all did. The number of pending cases in early 2019 was 325,277, more than 50 times higher than in 2010.

How Asylum is Abused Every Day | The American Conservative

Economic migrants use it as an easy means into the country, but Trump has options.

www.theamericanconservative.com

 

[SaintForLife]

Stop consistently underfunding the Immigration Court. The backlog is over 1,000,000 cases right now. Give them the money, judges, and resources needed to begin processing these cases in a reasonable amount of time.

Then, anyone found ineligible for asylum should be presented with other options to stay in the country.

You think people who aren't eligible for asylum should still be allowed to stay in the country? Do you think illegal border crossings should be decriminalized?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It works—for them. A Honduran on the border who says he came to work is sent back almost immediately. However, should he make a claim to asylum, the U.S. is obligated to adjudicate his case. Since detaining asylum seekers and their families while the processes play out is expensive and politically distasteful (kids in cages!), until recently most asylum seekers were instead released into American society to wait out their cases. They then became eligible for work authorization if their cases extended past 150 days, as almost all did. The number of pending cases in early 2019 was 325,277, more than 50 times higher than in 2010.

How Asylum is Abused Every Day | The American Conservative

Economic migrants use it as an easy means into the country, but Trump has options.

www.theamericanconservative.com

Hence the need to legitimately fund (and potentially overhaul) Immigration Court.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You think people who aren't eligible for asylum should still be allowed to stay in the country? Do you think illegal border crossings should be decriminalized?

I think people that want to come here and work to give their families a better life should be afforded that opportunity.

 

[SaintForLife]

I think people that want to come here and work to give their families a better life should be afforded that opportunity.

That sounds good in theory, but how many people should we let in? Should there be a limit?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

That sounds good in theory, but how many people should we let in? Should there be a limit?

I haven't studied the numbers to speak to this on a policy front. This is purely from a moral and empathetic point of view.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

We need way more Immigration Court judges and funding for public interest lawyers to represent prospective immigrants. Should illegal immigration be illegal? In the sense that people who sneak across the border have committed a crime like a person who steals commits a crime? No. I don't think they should be detained, simply deported back to their country of origin/prior place of entry, given a number/info, and then when their place in the queue comes up they can have their petition to come here lawfully adjudicated in a Zoom hearing before an immigration court.

The problem now is not enough funding for the legal process. Where do we get that money? Well, those on the right will have to make some concessions and allow for higher taxation of corporations and the wealthy. As I've borrowed from George Costanza numerous times: 'We live in a society!' Corporations and the wealthy benefit from the stability of that society. If there were anarchy then property rights would mean little to nothing. That they arguably benefit the most from this stability is a good argument for why they should contribute more to maintaining it.

Ponder this: there are probably better people sitting in cages at the border hoping for immigration than the human slime that ransacked the Capitol on January 6th. Yet the latter group likes to style themselves as patriots. And, ironically, the GOP panders to them while, at the same time, gin up fear of nefarious migrant caravans who will ostensibly invade this country and... ransack the Capitol?

 

[Saintman2884]

We need way more Immigration Court judges and funding for public interest lawyers to represent prospective immigrants. Should illegal immigration be illegal? In the sense that people who sneak across the border have committed a crime like a person who steals commits a crime? No. I don't think they should be detained, simply deported back to their country of origin/prior place of entry, given a number/info, and then when their place in the queue comes up they can have their petition to come here lawfully adjudicated in a Zoom hearing before an immigration court.

The problem now is not enough funding for the legal process. Where do we get that money? Well, those on the right will have to make some concessions and allow for higher taxation of corporations and the wealthy. As I've borrowed from George Costanza numerous times: 'We live in a society!' Corporations and the wealthy benefit from the stability of that society. If there were anarchy then property rights would mean little to nothing. That they arguably benefit the most from this stability is a good argument for why they should contribute more to maintaining it.

Ponder this: there are probably better people sitting in cages at the border hoping for immigration than the human slime that ransacked the Capitol on January 6th. Yet the latter group likes to style themselves as patriots. And, ironically, the GOP panders to them while, at the same time, gin up fear of nefarious migrant caravans who will ostensibly invade this country and... ransack the Capitol?

If their was anarchy, pal, all of us would be screwed not just the rich, wealthy, and powerful. They lose far more, sure but the rest of us living in society that's gone out of control, losing our homes, cars, bank accounts, maybe family members and life-long friends, even our own lives, that's a astronomically high toll to pay and one we shouldn't throw around so casually as if to give the passive-aggressive notion we sort of want or like to see that happen.

Here's one set of potential problems with raising tax rates on corporations and wealthy individuals: knowing our inept, corrupt, bureaucratic idiotic many of our local, state governments work and operate and how recessive, incompetent and self-serving career unelected bureaucrats who don't step down, resign, or are fired after one administration leaves, they stay entrenched in their jobs, dictating and interpreting the implementation of Biden's policies. Its not so easy or direct to just fire them even if you wanted to because they have powerful friends, they argue their agency's problems, like the Postal Service, are more endemic, complex, and more deep-seeded then just them being working their and no matter who takes over, the systemic issues will still plague their successors. My point is this: raising taxes on wealthier citizens, corporations may work and make progressives feel good for a while, but what happens if all that taxable income doesn't satisfactorily help or minimize societal issues or improve them significantly. Taxing the wealthier and multi-national corporations is relatively easy compared to preventing government corruption, graft, excessive wasteful spending, political cronyism (left-wing progressives are guilty of this too, despite their holier-than-thou civic attitudes) stunting or preventing these larger taxes from accomplishing their goals.

Quite a deviation from the mean.

And then, like the UK and other western European countries have experienced since end of WWII, with higher income tax laws and statutes, many corporations and wealthier citizens will leave for other countries or other states like many in California and New York are doing right now and become tax exiles because the UK's Income Revenue service basically taxes 86% of most wealthy UK citizens income and 98% of their income from investments.

What happens to that flourishing tax credit base when corporations leave or flee where they won't feel like their social parasites and criminals and those long-lasting businesses supporting workers and their families dependent upon those industries go bankrupt? Detroit, beginning in the early 1970's, became a prime, visibly painful example of this disparity where all the major corporations left and their plants, factories closed and the remaining highly-trained, skilled work force left with them or relocated to similar professions down South or later on, to other countries.

Try and invest in more socially-conscious new, "greener" businesses or low-level entrepreneurial enterprises to replace them? Sure, go ahead, but it'll take time, lot more resources, labor, and maybe even bit of luck even with favorable small-business subsidies, their overall income won't even bring in half of the lost income from those multi-national corporations. That's assuming that most actually do succeed. Hard-working, socially-conscious entrepreneurs fail all the time trying to establish new businesses or enterprises and its not from a lack of imagination, or creativity, its just bad access, logistics, struggling to meet high or raising of monthly/annual rent and business starts slumping. Or maybe a well-meaning, but inconsistently trained work force.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

So perhaps the people should vote in such a way to ensure better performance from their government instead of tunnel-visioning their vote on social/religious issues? That there is corruption in government is not a reason to avoid generating revenue needed to solve serious problems. The alternative is to... not even try?

 

[samiam5211]

That sounds good in theory, but how many people should we let in? Should there be a limit?

Do you believe the number is 0?

 

[Roofgardener]

Well, I finally got around to watching the Biden press conference from last week. (as opposed to reading journalists opinions of it).

I was shocked. I was also baffled, as most of the journalists seem to have watched an entirely different press conference, with an entirely different president.

Joe Biden got lost on at least three occasions, wandering off into a thicket of interior incoherent anecdotes. It was scary. And not one journalist seems to have commented on it ? Granted, three occasions in a one-hour-long press conference doesn't seem that bad, but.. I'm sorry.. it IS, considering how generic his speech (and subsequent 'questions' from the journalists) where.

Am I the only one who is concerned ?