The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (3 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    I'm calling it now. There will be an effort by one of these mid-western states by the Republican legislature to overturn the vote of the people and appoint Republican electors. Wisconsin and Michigan are prime candidates given the aggressiveness and shamelessness of their Republican representatives in the state legislature.

    I'm still not sure it will lead to a coup, I think in the end enough people in places of power will stand up to stop it, but it's going to get uglier. And it is definitely going to further destabilize our country and government and really damage Biden's presidency due to all of the delays in starting the transition and all of the resulting vitriol.

    It is very clear that many, many Republcicans will not accept the vote of the people they represent. They don't care what the actual result of the election is or the harm done to the country. They will do anything to seize power and make it so that Trump will retain power.

    Today I was reading about this

    "Wisconsin’s recount turned into a partisan brawl Wednesday night, well before the first votes began to be retallied.

    The three Republicans and three Democrats on the Wisconsin Elections Commission clashed repeatedly in a late-night virtual meeting as they tried to establish guidelines spelling out how clerks should conduct the recount during the coronavirus pandemic."
     
    It's funny how the trump team keeps saying over and over and over again that Democrats are trying to steal the election, all while they are actually trying to steal the election. Irony is always lost on them.

    It's not irony, it's insanity. Hell, even Fox talking heads are saying "where's the proof?" The whole thing is just theater meant to rile up the base. Fork the rest of the country and common sense and decency. Smh.
     
    It's not irony, it's insanity. Hell, even Fox talking heads are saying "where's the proof?" The whole thing is just theater meant to rile up the base. Fork the rest of the country and common sense and decency. Smh.
    Erosion of norms can actually be serious. People want to scoff at that, but there is real damage done to a democracy when irrational disbelief gets rooted in.

    Healthy skepticism is fine, but this is just pure theater.
     
    Erosion of norms can actually be serious. People want to scoff at that, but there is real damage done to a democracy when irrational disbelief gets rooted in.

    Healthy skepticism is fine, but this is just pure theater.
    That's his goal on the way out the door. Destroy every longstanding democratic norm and make it near impossible for Joe Biden to govern. They've already got over 70% of the trump voters to believe that Biden somehow "stole" the election affirming their belief that he is an illegitimate president. If Democrats lose the two GA runoffs, which I think we'd all agree is likely, Biden is going to have a near impossible time getting anything past Moscow Mitch. Then republicans retake the house in '22 and Biden has the same do-nothing republican congress that Obama had to deal with.
     
    Erosion of norms can actually be serious. People want to scoff at that, but there is real damage done to a democracy when irrational disbelief gets rooted in.

    Healthy skepticism is fine, but this is just pure theater.
    It is theater... and it's also a genuine attempt by Trump to steal the election and stay in office.

    It's pretty amazing to see just how much damage to the system and society one person can inflict when they just don't give a shirt about anything.
     
    He couldn’t do this without the help of the Republican Party. They are both in this together. Any politician running as a Republican has to prove to me that they are legitimate. I’m going to just assume that they’re crazy cult members from the start. 🤷‍♀️
     
    It is theater... and it's also a genuine attempt by Trump to steal the election and stay in office.

    It's pretty amazing to see just how much damage to the system and society one person can inflict when they just don't give a shirt about anything.
    Let's not let off the hook the tens of millions of voters who enthusiastically embrace the right-wing crazy, and the party "leaders" who want to exploit, yet fear, them. If not for them, one person wouldn't be doing jack shirt except making an arse of himself.
     
    Let's not let off the hook the tens of millions of voters who enthusiastically embrace the right-wing crazy, and the party "leaders" who want to exploit, yet fear, them. If not for them, one person wouldn't be doing jack shirt except making an arse of himself.
    And my other thought after posting that was to not shortchange Rush Limbaugh and the like their credit for setting the stage and clearing the path for 25 years so that someone like Trump could exist in our political world.
     

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